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Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:42 pm
by nothingtosee
I have searched and been unable to find this thread for 2012 - anyone wanna help me out?

And does the "attrition" just count drop-outs, or does it include transfer-outs?

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:48 pm
by DCNTUA
Penn's LRW is H/P/F

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:35 pm
by HorseThief
nothingtosee wrote:I have searched and been unable to find this thread for 2012 - anyone wanna help me out?

And does the "attrition" just count drop-outs, or does it include transfer-outs?


Here's the 2012 thread: http://top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=142463.

And I think attrition counts transfers too.

ABA wrote:The numbers and percentages of students who leave a law school before graduation can be found in the JD Attrition category on each law school Standard 509 Information chart

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/legal_education/resources/frequently_asked_questions.html

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:36 pm
by HorseThief
JustHawkin wrote:Thanks for this! any update on LRW and COA?


Sorry for the delay. I'll try to pull the new COA numbers tonight.

Edit: Looked for the new COA numbers and they can't be found. All I know so far is that Harvard is up (+$3k) and Yale is up (+$1.5k), although Yale's tuition did drop by $700. COL made up the difference; I guess New Haven is becoming the hip place to live.

I'll check in again during the fall with new updates. In the meantime, if anyone wants me to edit the OP, send me a pm.

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 8:31 pm
by Kimikho
Could we add:

Schools that expect you to join a journal and/or pro-bono first semester of 1L year:
Stanford (journal and pro-bono)
NYU (pro-bono)
Stanford
Georgetown (pro-bono)
Stanford
Berkeley
Stanford
Stanford
Stanford

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:12 pm
by phillywc
NYU doesn't expect a pro bono tons of people don't

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:28 pm
by HorseThief
Kimikho wrote:Could we add:

Schools that expect you to join a journal and/or pro-bono first semester of 1L year:
Stanford (journal and pro-bono)
NYU (pro-bono)
Stanford
Georgetown (pro-bono)
Stanford
Berkeley
Stanford
Stanford
Stanford

Why is Stanford on this list 6x? I mean, I can add it, but I'm not sure I understand. And what do you mean by expect? Is it "Lots of people do it" or "The school requires it"?

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 9:37 pm
by Kimikho
HorseThief wrote:Why is Stanford on this list 6x? I mean, I can add it, but I'm not sure I understand. And what do you mean by expect? Is it "Lots of people do it" or "The school requires it"?


Just a common complaint (the pressure that comes from assuming 1Ls will participate in pro-bonos and journals since they are available first quarter), and I don't think that people tend to consider this when picking a school.

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 5:18 pm
by HorseThief
Finally updated. Let me know if anyone has data on 1L pro-bono/journal expectations for the missing schools.

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 1:21 am
by BmoreOrLess
Georgetown LRW is graded and it sucks balls.

Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 9:37 pm
by eed333
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Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:59 pm
by Pneumonia
LRW can be a massive drain on your time, especially relative to its weight on your GPA (at H its only 2 credits/semester). In general though I think the idea is not that graded LRW is particularly horrible, but that ungraded is really nice.

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:44 pm
by smiles123
How low the percentages of students with half-tuition scholarship or greater is alarming

Posted: Mon Feb 16, 2015 11:14 pm
by eed333
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Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:00 pm
by pkraft1
I just came across this thread for the first time and am bamboozled by how helpful the OP is. I don't use that term lightly. Having student to faculty ratios, LWR gradings, etc all in one place is awesome - just want to say thanks!

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:03 pm
by HorseThief
pkraft1 wrote:I just came across this thread for the first time and am bamboozled by how helpful the OP is. I don't use that term lightly. Having student to faculty ratios, LWR gradings, etc all in one place is awesome - just want to say thanks!


Fair warning, the info is now one year out of date. I'll try to update it all after finals, though.

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 1:07 am
by lawschool22
Pneumonia wrote:LRW can be a massive drain on your time, especially relative to its weight on your GPA (at H its only 2 credits/semester). In general though I think the idea is not that graded LRW is particularly horrible, but that ungraded is really nice.


I agree with this, but I do think, depending on what you are good at, graded LRW can be a good thing. Some people are better at LRW than exams, and so having another avenue toward a good grade that doesn't depend on a single exam can be a plus. It diversifies the risk a bit. That said, 2 credits is very dumb. It is a lot of work and should at least be 3.

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:27 pm
by PrayFor170
Sorry if this question has been asked before.

Is "transferring out students" included in the attrition rate?

Re: Updated T-14 Rankings (LRW, COA, etc.) 2013

Posted: Sun May 22, 2016 2:04 pm
by Jonathanwitt
I would echo these same comments above from jbagelboy

To not do so would drain integrity from the system and deprive students of a level playing field.