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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby bryanjbay12 » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:48 pm

I don't care about what the GPA/LSAT range is. The only thing that matters to me is employment statistics. UCLA and other non-T14 schools do not rival Cornell/Northwestern in this statistic and so no, I would not choose somewhere else outside the T14. Actually, lower GPA/LSAT ranges are a positive for applicants. More scholarships for lower numbers.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby Nova » Sun Feb 09, 2014 11:51 pm

the T14 distinction is based on job prospects, not uswnr.

whether to attend a school like ucla over cornell should depend on personal factors, not admission stats.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby papercut » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:28 am

Here's the USN ranking with floor(at graduation employment %):

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Y - 90
H - 90
S - 93
C - 93
C - 90
N - 93
P - 83
V - 97
B - 72
M - 70
D - 72
N - 77
C - 69
G - 71
T - 76
V - 76


Maybe it should be the T8 now. It can't feel okay to be looking for work at graduation.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby hephaestus » Mon Feb 10, 2014 12:37 am

UCLA and Vanderbilt had higher LSAT medians that Cornell for quite some time, but this has not resulted in the schools changing places for job placement purposes.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby sublime » Mon Feb 10, 2014 5:38 am

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby DebtMonkey » Tue Feb 11, 2014 10:27 am

Cornell has also suffered a serious decline in applications, from 5,556 in Fall 2011 to 4,054 in 2013:

http://cornellsun.com/blog/2014/02/07/cornell-law-school-sees-decrease-in-number-of-applicants/

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby rad lulz » Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:08 am

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby BigZuck » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:08 pm

MistakenGenius wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
sublime wrote:Obligatory employers will leave in DROVES comment.

DROVES I TELL YOU


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DROOOOOVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEEESSSSS!!!!!

But no, it won't change anything. Admission data doesn't mean a thing. It's good if it's low, as long as they keep making UCLA, Vandy, and USC their bitches in employment.


Appreciate the pro-UT trolling here. Thanks bro.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby Lavitz » Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:28 pm

GEMJRERCHS wrote:Last year the statistics for Cornell's freshman class GPA was 3.5/3.63/3.77 and its LSAT was 166/168/169, this year it is 3.52/3.66/3.73 and 165/167/167

Cornell's median was 168 two years ago, not last year, and it's 167 again this year. So Cornell dropped one point in 2 years. Meanwhile NYU dropped 2 points in two years. Not that it matters because:
ImNoScar wrote:UCLA and Vanderbilt had higher LSAT medians than Cornell for quite some time, but this has not resulted in the schools changing places for job placement purposes.



DebtMonkey wrote:Cornell has also suffered a serious decline in applications, from 5,556 in Fall 2011 to 4,054 in 2013:

http://cornellsun.com/blog/2014/02/07/cornell-law-school-sees-decrease-in-number-of-applicants/

This was right after Cornell had an unexplained 50% spike in applications the year before.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby BigZuck » Tue Feb 11, 2014 1:54 pm

Lavitz wrote:
GEMJRERCHS wrote:Last year the statistics for Cornell's freshman class GPA was 3.5/3.63/3.77 and its LSAT was 166/168/169, this year it is 3.52/3.66/3.73 and 165/167/167

Cornell's median was 168 two years ago, not last year, and it's 167 again this year. So Cornell dropped one point in 2 years. Meanwhile NYU dropped 2 points in two years. Not that it matters because:
ImNoScar wrote:UCLA and Vanderbilt had higher LSAT medians than Cornell for quite some time, but this has not resulted in the schools changing places for job placement purposes.



DebtMonkey wrote:Cornell has also suffered a serious decline in applications, from 5,556 in Fall 2011 to 4,054 in 2013:

http://cornellsun.com/blog/2014/02/07/cornell-law-school-sees-decrease-in-number-of-applicants/

This was right after Cornell had an unexplained 50% spike in applications the year before.


Even a blind man can see that Cornell is a TTT in decline. Sorry bro.

But seriously, Cornell Sun? Why would they name a publication in Ithaca the "Sun?"

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby Lavitz » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:11 pm

BigZuck wrote:But seriously, Cornell Sun? Why would they name a publication in Ithaca the "Sun?"

Obviously to compensate for the lack of the other Sun. :wink:

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby whereskyle » Tue Feb 11, 2014 2:11 pm

So, we can all easily imagine that fewer desirable applicants overall means that the lower the rank of the school, the less likely it is for that school to recruit successfully more desirable applicants. I'm wondering if there is evidence that alumni networks will in any way help schools like Cornell and NU to mitigate any negative effects. For instance, many ppl recognize that Hastings has gone downhill, but hiring partners may still grace Hastings grads with jobs, due to their connection to a once great school. Another factor: many practicing attorneys are not so hyper aware as we are, and they are quick to say to me, "Why don't you apply to (TTT)?" Whether or not firms and other OCI organizations are planning to change their ways is suspect at this point. As far as I know, OCI at NU and Cornell hasn't changed much beyond the observable effects of the recession, and Idk if we should expect it to change based on falling/stagnant demand for new grads.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby whereskyle » Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:09 pm

Also, the US News rankings of the T14 match the rankings for the T14's undergraduate institution rankings. The lay prestige has created a feedback loop that informs students as well as employers. The result: a clearly delineated "T14" of immediately recognizable school names. This system is entrenched. Berkeley, Stanford, also have peculiar numbers for admits for their rankings historically.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby cron1834 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 5:07 pm

Cornell Biglaw+Fedclerk = 64%
Berkeley Biglaw+Fedclerk = 61%
NU Biglaw+Fedclerk = 55%

OP, go to UCLA or Vandy instead. Seems legit.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby mirroroferised7 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:43 pm

Edit: sorry for the repost... working with a faulty mouse. (yaaaayyyy... donated computers at NPO's...)
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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby mirroroferised7 » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:43 pm

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby El Pollito » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:47 pm

mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby patogordo » Tue Feb 11, 2014 7:58 pm

El Pollito wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

it was a triumph

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby ManoftheHour » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:03 pm

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby wiz » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:06 pm

papercut wrote:Here's the USN ranking with floor(at graduation employment %):

Code: Select all

Y - 90
H - 90
S - 93
C - 93
C - 90
N - 93
P - 83
V - 97
B - 72
M - 70
D - 72
N - 77
C - 69
G - 71
T - 76
V - 76


Maybe it should be the T8 now. It can't feel okay to be looking for work at graduation.


Lol UVA.

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby wiz » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:07 pm

El Pollito wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

People like this still exist?

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby californiauser » Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:08 pm

mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.


Do you already have a job waiting for you? Why would you do AJD?

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Re: Decline of Cornell and Northwestern?

Postby rad lulz » Tue Feb 11, 2014 9:12 pm

patogordo wrote:
El Pollito wrote:
mirroroferised7 wrote:I'm currently looking at near-full ride to UCLA, and waiting to hear back on AJD scholarships at NU. It will take $100k to sway me in NU's direction for three reasons:

1) I want to work in the entertainment industry (B.A. in Arts and Media Management)

2) UG was in Chicago (this works both ways though, because I hate sun, and don't like driving, but I also like the idea of relocating while I'm still young/mobile.)

3) Student loan debt is really, really scary. And I feel like I'd be at the top of the pack for UCLA, making my job prospects a bit stronger compared to the rest of the graduating class.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

it was a triumph

im making a note here

huge success




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