UF Law v. FSU Law

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UF Law or FSU Law (costs being equal)

UF Law
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53%
FSU Law
63
47%
 
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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby sublime » Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:20 pm

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby wat » Sat Apr 26, 2014 2:23 pm

rdelaney wrote:
wat wrote:FSUs rise was largely due to their decision to prioritize their law school (along with their better location).

I expect that FSU will continue to rise in rankings simply because they *need* this more than UF does. They will devote whatever resources they can to ensure that they can stay on top in at least one of the professional fields. UF traditionally beats FSU in most other professional fields, so UF can afford to be a bit complacent here. When supporters of either school start talking academic smack, UF can still point to their colleges of engineering and medicine.

It will be interesting to see how this works out in the next couple of years. The fire on UF's ass is practically an inferno. They don't like being second best to FSU. The alumni don't want that to happen either. I don't think UF will get complacent in the next few years. So keep your eyes peeled!


I agree. But I can also see this going the other way and actually cause UF to become demoralized and less engaged. UF does not have FSUs "little brother" complex to help them rally together.

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Nucky » Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:18 pm

runinthefront wrote:
Nucky wrote:
sublime wrote:I agree rdelaney. Weird that you got $$$ from UF but not FSU. In that situation, it is definitely the right call to go to UF.

They are pretty much equal at equal cost. I give the slight edge to FSU, but reasonable minds could disagree about that.


UF did cut their class size by 25%. They deserve credit for that. I'd like to see it cut further, but the downsizing reflects positively on UF.

Florida Gulf Coast cranks out over 500 grads a year. UM has a huge class as well. UF is not some shameless diploma mill. You're better than that sublime. That's an unwarranted cheap shot.

FGCU has a law school? :shock:


Don't know but I hope not. I meant Florida Coastal.

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Roberrrrto » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:11 pm

Well... if this doesn't settle it nothing will.

Florida Bar Admissions - FLA. BAR EXAM RESULTS

Florida Board of Bar Examiners releases results for July 2014 general bar exam; University of Florida tops the list. [Added 9/22/14]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the July 2014 general bar examination. The University of Florida led the state with a pass rate of 90.6%. The results are shown below.

University of Florida, 90.6% (241 of 266)
Florida State, 81.8% (162 of 198)
Miami, 81.2% (233 of 287)

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby runinthefront » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:48 pm

lol you literally cherry picked your results. Why didn't you post the previous ones? The results vary wildly.

Florida Board of Bar Examiners releases passage data for February 2014 general bar exam; Stetson tops the list. [Added 4/15/14]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the February 2014 general bar examination. Stetson College of Law led the state with a pass rate of 85.0%. The results are shown below.
Stetson, 85.0% (51 of 60)
Florida State, 82.8% (24 of 29)
Florida International, 81.3% (26 of 32)
Miami, 80.7% (46 of 57)
FLORIDA LAW SCHOOLS, 73.6% (293 of 400)
OVERALL, 72.9% (587 of 805)
Florida Coastal, 72.9% (43 of 59)
NON-FLORIDA LAW SCHOOLS, 72.6% (294 of 405)
FAMU, 72.2% (26 of 36)
Nova Southeastern, 69.6% (16 of 23)
Florida, 64.7% (11 of 17)
Barry, 62.2% (28 of 45)
St. Thomas, 59.4% (19 of 32)
Ave Maria, 30.0% (3 of 10)

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Florida Bar Admissions - FLA. BAR EXAM RESULTS

Florida Board of Bar Examiners releases results for July 2014 general bar exam; University of Florida tops the list. [Added 9/22/14]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the July 2014 general bar examination. The University of Florida led the state with a pass rate of 90.6%. The results are shown below.
Florida, 90.6% (241 of 266)
Florida State, 81.8% (162 of 198)
Miami, 81.2% (233 of 287)
Stetson, 78.2% (158 of 202)
Florida International, 78.2% (86 of 110)
FLORIDA law school average, 74.2% (1508 of 2031)
FAMU, 73.6% (89 of 121)
OVERALL average, 71.8%
Nova Southeastern, 69.7% (161 of 231)
NON-FLORIDA law schools average, 65.9% (549 of 833)
St. Thomas, 69.2% (101 of 146)
Barry, 62.0% (85 of 137)
Florida Coastal, 58.0% (149 of 257)
Ave Maria, 56.6% (43 of 76)

Florida Board of Bar Examiners releases passage data for February 2014 general bar exam; Stetson tops the list. [Added 4/15/14]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the February 2014 general bar examination. Stetson College of Law led the state with a pass rate of 85.0%. The results are shown below.
Stetson, 85.0% (51 of 60)
Florida State, 82.8% (24 of 29)
Florida International, 81.3% (26 of 32)
Miami, 80.7% (46 of 57)
FLORIDA LAW SCHOOLS, 73.6% (293 of 400)
OVERALL, 72.9% (587 of 805)
Florida Coastal, 72.9% (43 of 59)
NON-FLORIDA LAW SCHOOLS, 72.6% (294 of 405)
FAMU, 72.2% (26 of 36)
Nova Southeastern, 69.6% (16 of 23)
Florida, 64.7% (11 of 17)
Barry, 62.2% (28 of 45)
St. Thomas, 59.4% (19 of 32)
Ave Maria, 30.0% (3 of 10)

STETSON PLACES FIRST IN JULY 2013 GENERAL BAR EXAM PASSAGE RATE. [Added 9/29/13]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the July 2013 general bar examination. Stetson College of Law led the state with a pass rate of 89.3%. The results are shown below.
GENERAL FLORIDA BAR EXAMINATION
Stetson, 89.3% (209 of 234)
Florida, 88.2% (283 of 321)
Florida State, 86.7% (163 of 188)
Florida International, 82.8% (101 of 122)
Nova Southeastern, 81.8% (198 of 242)
Miami, 79.3% (237 of 299)
FLORIDA law schools, 79.21% (1758 of 2221)
ALL law schools, 77.2% (2373 of 3073)
Barry, 74.8% (92 of 123)
St. Thomas, 73.7% (112 of 152)
NON-FLORIDA law schools, 72.2% (615 of 852)
FAMU, 71.7% (109 of 152)
Florida Coastal, 67.4% (209 of 310)
Ave Maria, 57.7% (45 of 78)

FLORIDA BOARD OF BAR EXAMINERS RELEASES FEBRUARY 2013 GENERAL BAR EXAM AND MPRE RESULTS. [Added 4/17/13]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the February 2013 general bar examination. The results are shown below.
GENERAL FLORIDA BAR EXAMINATION
Florida State, 96.0% (24 of 25)
Stetson, 93.9% (46 of 49)
Barry, 92.7% (38 of 41)
Florida International, 91.7% (33 of 36)
Miami, 86.4% (57 of 66)
FAMU, 82.6% (19 of 23)
AVERAGE of FLORIDA law schools, 82.1% (354 of 431)
AVERAGE of ALL law schools, 80.2% (657 of 819)
Florida Coastal, 79.3% (46 of 58)
AVERAGE of NON-FLORIDA law schools, 78.1% (303 of 388)
Nova Southeastern, 74.5% (35 of 47)
Florida, 72.7% (16 of 22)
St. Thomas, 64.8% (35 of 54)
Ave Maria, 50.0% (5 of 10)

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby North » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:49 pm

Roberrrrto wrote:Well... if this doesn't settle it nothing will.

Florida Bar Admissions - FLA. BAR EXAM RESULTS

Florida Board of Bar Examiners releases results for July 2014 general bar exam; University of Florida tops the list. [Added 9/22/14]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the July 2014 general bar examination. The University of Florida led the state with a pass rate of 90.6%. The results are shown below.

University of Florida, 90.6% (241 of 266)
Florida State, 81.8% (162 of 198)
Miami, 81.2% (233 of 287)

Yeah, that actually settles nothing.

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Roberrrrto » Sun Oct 05, 2014 6:58 pm

runinthefront wrote:lol you literally cherry picked your results. Why didn't you post the previous ones? The results vary wildly.

Florida Board of Bar Examiners releases passage data for February 2014 general bar exam; Stetson tops the list. [Added 4/15/14]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the February 2014 general bar examination. Stetson College of Law led the state with a pass rate of 85.0%. The results are shown below.
Stetson, 85.0% (51 of 60)
Florida State, 82.8% (24 of 29)
Florida International, 81.3% (26 of 32)
Miami, 80.7% (46 of 57)
FLORIDA LAW SCHOOLS, 73.6% (293 of 400)
OVERALL, 72.9% (587 of 805)
Florida Coastal, 72.9% (43 of 59)
NON-FLORIDA LAW SCHOOLS, 72.6% (294 of 405)
FAMU, 72.2% (26 of 36)
Nova Southeastern, 69.6% (16 of 23)
Florida, 64.7% (11 of 17)
Barry, 62.2% (28 of 45)
St. Thomas, 59.4% (19 of 32)
Ave Maria, 30.0% (3 of 10)

ABOUT
Florida Bar Admissions - FLA. BAR EXAM RESULTS

Florida Board of Bar Examiners releases results for July 2014 general bar exam; University of Florida tops the list. [Added 9/22/14]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the July 2014 general bar examination. The University of Florida led the state with a pass rate of 90.6%. The results are shown below.
Florida, 90.6% (241 of 266)
Florida State, 81.8% (162 of 198)
Miami, 81.2% (233 of 287)
Stetson, 78.2% (158 of 202)
Florida International, 78.2% (86 of 110)
FLORIDA law school average, 74.2% (1508 of 2031)
FAMU, 73.6% (89 of 121)
OVERALL average, 71.8%
Nova Southeastern, 69.7% (161 of 231)
NON-FLORIDA law schools average, 65.9% (549 of 833)
St. Thomas, 69.2% (101 of 146)
Barry, 62.0% (85 of 137)
Florida Coastal, 58.0% (149 of 257)
Ave Maria, 56.6% (43 of 76)

Florida Board of Bar Examiners releases passage data for February 2014 general bar exam; Stetson tops the list. [Added 4/15/14]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the February 2014 general bar examination. Stetson College of Law led the state with a pass rate of 85.0%. The results are shown below.
Stetson, 85.0% (51 of 60)
Florida State, 82.8% (24 of 29)
Florida International, 81.3% (26 of 32)
Miami, 80.7% (46 of 57)
FLORIDA LAW SCHOOLS, 73.6% (293 of 400)
OVERALL, 72.9% (587 of 805)
Florida Coastal, 72.9% (43 of 59)
NON-FLORIDA LAW SCHOOLS, 72.6% (294 of 405)
FAMU, 72.2% (26 of 36)
Nova Southeastern, 69.6% (16 of 23)
Florida, 64.7% (11 of 17)
Barry, 62.2% (28 of 45)
St. Thomas, 59.4% (19 of 32)
Ave Maria, 30.0% (3 of 10)

STETSON PLACES FIRST IN JULY 2013 GENERAL BAR EXAM PASSAGE RATE. [Added 9/29/13]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the July 2013 general bar examination. Stetson College of Law led the state with a pass rate of 89.3%. The results are shown below.
GENERAL FLORIDA BAR EXAMINATION
Stetson, 89.3% (209 of 234)
Florida, 88.2% (283 of 321)
Florida State, 86.7% (163 of 188)
Florida International, 82.8% (101 of 122)
Nova Southeastern, 81.8% (198 of 242)
Miami, 79.3% (237 of 299)
FLORIDA law schools, 79.21% (1758 of 2221)
ALL law schools, 77.2% (2373 of 3073)
Barry, 74.8% (92 of 123)
St. Thomas, 73.7% (112 of 152)
NON-FLORIDA law schools, 72.2% (615 of 852)
FAMU, 71.7% (109 of 152)
Florida Coastal, 67.4% (209 of 310)
Ave Maria, 57.7% (45 of 78)

FLORIDA BOARD OF BAR EXAMINERS RELEASES FEBRUARY 2013 GENERAL BAR EXAM AND MPRE RESULTS. [Added 4/17/13]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the February 2013 general bar examination. The results are shown below.
GENERAL FLORIDA BAR EXAMINATION
Florida State, 96.0% (24 of 25)
Stetson, 93.9% (46 of 49)
Barry, 92.7% (38 of 41)
Florida International, 91.7% (33 of 36)
Miami, 86.4% (57 of 66)
FAMU, 82.6% (19 of 23)
AVERAGE of FLORIDA law schools, 82.1% (354 of 431)
AVERAGE of ALL law schools, 80.2% (657 of 819)
Florida Coastal, 79.3% (46 of 58)
AVERAGE of NON-FLORIDA law schools, 78.1% (303 of 388)
Nova Southeastern, 74.5% (35 of 47)
Florida, 72.7% (16 of 22)
St. Thomas, 64.8% (35 of 54)
Ave Maria, 50.0% (5 of 10)


I cherry picked nothing. I just listed UF v FSU (the title of the thread) for the most recent bar exam, really the only relevant bar exam each year.

Check out the number of test takers. Big difference between 17 test takers for UF in February and 266 in July. Plus, since UF only does fall admission, it's likely that the 6 people who failed in Feb also failed the previous July.

I can't believe someone brought Stetson into the conversation. It's between UF and FSU for the best law school in the state with Miami possibly slipping in the conversation. Stetson is kicking it at #93, the bottom of tier 2 land after years in AAA (tier 3).

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby runinthefront » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:04 pm

lol @ thinking your odds of landing a job in Florida from UF is discernible from the odds of landing one from FSU (arguably, your odds are worse) and that much better than Stetson...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

...passing the bar does not equal employment and I would definitely expend more effort into seeking gainful employment this summer than trying to justify your decision for choosing UF over a virtually identical FSU

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Roberrrrto » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:09 pm

runinthefront wrote:lol @ thinking your odds of landing a job in Florida from UF is discernible from the odds of landing one from FSU (arguably, your odds are worse) and that much better than Stetson...

:lol: :lol: :lol:

...passing the bar does not equal employment and I would definitely expend more effort into seeking gainful employment this summer than trying to justify your decision for choosing UF over a virtually identical FSU


Not passing the bar definitely has an impact on employment.

Quick question (or 2) runinthefront: Are you a FL resident? If you were, it seems you would know the brand prestige of UF. If not, why bother posting here on a UF v. FSU thread?

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby runinthefront » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:14 pm

Born and raised in Florida, and am aware of the fact that UF's lay prestige in Florida is great-- many Floridians think of the undergraduate school as a Southern Ivy.

Unfortunately, lay prestige means little in the legal field. I mean, employment stats don't lie and unfortunately, Florida's underemployment score at this time is actually lower than that of FSU and Stetson.
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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Roberrrrto » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:16 pm

runinthefront wrote:Born and raised in Florida, and am aware of the fact that UF's lay prestige in Florida is great-- many Floridians think of the undergraduate school as a Southern Ivy.

Unfortunately, lay prestige means little in the legal field.


Except that our future clients will mostly be lay people. I would argue this prestige extends to the entire University, not just undergrad. Plus, the Gator Nation is very real. In my short time here, we've had 2 federal judges on campus, numerous attorneys, etc. Also, and more importantly, during the week prior to class starting (during orientation) and during the first 5 weeks of class, multiple law firms were on campus EVERY SINGLE DAY interviewing UF Law students. This is the best school in the state. In March, US News will figure that out. I doubt there are that many people, if anyone at all, that chose another school in the state of FL at the same COA. I have numerous classmates (myself included) that turned down money, even full scholarships, at other schools to come here.
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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby runinthefront » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:19 pm

Roberrrrto wrote:
runinthefront wrote:Born and raised in Florida, and am aware of the fact that UF's lay prestige in Florida is great-- many Floridians think of the undergraduate school as a Southern Ivy.

Unfortunately, lay prestige means little in the legal field.


Except that our future clients will mostly be lay people.


lol @ thinking future smallaw clients care about what school you graduated from

they don't

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to fight the current statistics

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Roberrrrto » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:23 pm

runinthefront wrote:
Roberrrrto wrote:
runinthefront wrote:Born and raised in Florida, and am aware of the fact that UF's lay prestige in Florida is great-- many Floridians think of the undergraduate school as a Southern Ivy.

Unfortunately, lay prestige means little in the legal field.


Except that our future clients will mostly be lay people.


lol @ thinking future smallaw clients care about what school you graduated from

they don't

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to fight the current statistics


.
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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby runinthefront » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:26 pm

Roberrrrto wrote:
runinthefront wrote:
Roberrrrto wrote:
runinthefront wrote:Born and raised in Florida, and am aware of the fact that UF's lay prestige in Florida is great-- many Floridians think of the undergraduate school as a Southern Ivy.

Unfortunately, lay prestige means little in the legal field.


Except that our future clients will mostly be lay people.


lol @ thinking future smallaw clients care about what school you graduated from

they don't

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to fight the current statistics


Don't be bitter because you didn't get in.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: they wouldn't budge on their scholly so I had to choose between four other T14s instead :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: .

I don't know why the personal attack had to come in...but ok. Enjoy your 65% employment rate.

Say hi to all the personal injury attorneys you see on campus everyday for me, will ya?

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Louis1127 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:30 pm

Roberrrrto wrote:Well... if this doesn't settle it nothing will.

Florida Bar Admissions - FLA. BAR EXAM RESULTS

Florida Board of Bar Examiners releases results for July 2014 general bar exam; University of Florida tops the list. [Added 9/22/14]
The Florida Board of Bar Examiners released the results for first-time takers of the July 2014 general bar examination. The University of Florida led the state with a pass rate of 90.6%. The results are shown below.

University of Florida, 90.6% (241 of 266)
Florida State, 81.8% (162 of 198)
Miami, 81.2% (233 of 287)


I assumed you were trolling here on didn't jump on it, damn.

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby North » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:34 pm

Roberto's UF homerism is fucking ridiculous

-- Born and raised FL, accepted at both UF and FSU, went to both UF and FSU UG

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Roberrrrto » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:35 pm

Will do. So.... why are you even posting in this thread again? Clearly, T-14 is preferable to both UF and FSU. Just trolling... again (I read your earlier remarks).

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Roberrrrto » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:38 pm

North wrote:Roberto's UF homerism is fucking ridiculous

-- Born and raised FL, accepted at both UF and FSU, went to both UF and FSU UG


Right, and you chose UVA, a T-14. Smart choice! My point was people choosing a law school in FL other than UF if they got in.

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby runinthefront » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:41 pm

Roberrrrto wrote:Will do. So.... why are you even posting in this thread again? Clearly, T-14 is preferable to both UF and FSU. Just trolling... again (I read your earlier remarks).


You literally embody everything that is wrong with Florida

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby North » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:43 pm

Roberrrrto wrote:
North wrote:Roberto's UF homerism is fucking ridiculous

-- Born and raised FL, accepted at both UF and FSU, went to both UF and FSU UG


Right, and you chose UVA, a T-14. Smart choice! My point was people choosing a law school in FL other than UF if they got in.

Good thing you told us you're just expertly trolling us, or I'd think you were a complete fucking moron. There are plenty of good reasons to attend FSU over UF in Florida, particularly for people interested in state government work or working in north Florida over middle Florida. I would have picked FSU if I wanted to stay in FL.

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby North » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:49 pm

Also, lol that this guy's posting history consists entirely of dick slanging for UF.

UF is one of at least a couple (depending on what part of FL you're targeting) okay schools in an incredibly oversaturated legal market. Sorry bro, there's nothing special about your school.

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby Roberrrrto » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:32 pm

North wrote:Also, lol that this guy's posting history consists entirely of dick slanging for UF.

UF is one of at least a couple (depending on what part of FL you're targeting) okay schools in an incredibly oversaturated legal market. Sorry bro, there's nothing special about your school.


At least I praise UF on UF threads. I don't go down to the FIU v Miami or other threads that don't have anything to do with UF (cough cough... hint hint) just to be a jerk.

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby A. Nony Mouse » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:38 pm

Roberrrrto wrote:In my short time here, we've had 2 federal judges on campus, numerous attorneys, etc. Also, and more importantly, during the week prior to class starting (during orientation) and during the first 5 weeks of class, multiple law firms were on campus EVERY SINGLE DAY interviewing UF Law students.

You realize these things happen at every law school in the country, right?

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby bk1 » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:41 pm

A. Nony Mouse wrote:
Roberrrrto wrote:In my short time here, we've had 2 federal judges on campus, numerous attorneys, etc. Also, and more importantly, during the week prior to class starting (during orientation) and during the first 5 weeks of class, multiple law firms were on campus EVERY SINGLE DAY interviewing UF Law students.

You realize these things happen at every law school in the country, right?

:lol:

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Re: UF Law v. FSU Law

Postby North » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:49 pm

Roberrrrto wrote:At least I praise UF on UF threads. I don't go down to the FIU v Miami or other threads that don't have anything to do with UF (cough cough... hint hint) just to be a jerk.

Stupid is stupid no matter where you find it. There are 0L's out there that might make a decision between UF and FSU based on your useless bar pass rate snapshots if someone didn't jump in to point out that you have a lizard brain. The decision between UF and FSU is one that should be made in consideration of a 0L's career goals, finances, and geographic preferences. In many cases, FSU is the hands-down better choice. It's really really cool you're happy with UF though.

But lol at you seeing this as me coming down from ~ON HIGH~ in some UVA thread to tell you that your categorical bullshit is just that.


runinthefront wrote:In my short time here, we've had 2 federal judges on campus, numerous attorneys, etc. Also, and more importantly, during the week prior to class starting (during orientation) and during the first 5 weeks of class, multiple law firms were on campus EVERY SINGLE DAY interviewing UF Law students.

:lol: :lol: :lol: Okay, lol




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