rpupkin wrote:First, I agree that it's not clear whether that poster has the background necessary for the patent bar. Before I got instructed to stop offering advice, I was going to ask how many CMPS units he has. If he has close to 40 and if he went to the right school, he can sit for the patent bar with his non-science bachelors.
Sitting for the patent bar with the minimum requirements is silly. Just because you're eligible doesn't mean it is a meaningful credential. Clients don't want to look at your bio and see "psych major, but took a bunch of science classes when I wanted to be an engineer"
rpupkin wrote:Second, I don't agree with your blanket statement that patent firms are "prestige obsessed." If we're talking about patent litigation, then, yes, you'll find most of the same prestige biases that exist in general commercial litigation. The firms that dominate patent lit in the SF Bay Area--Quinn, MoFO, Gibson, etc.--definitely care about prestige. But patent prosecution is a different story. Plenty of prosecution firms (and prosecution groups at larger firms) hire from Santa Clara.
I'll go along with that. Plenty of patent prosecution hiring firms/attorneys don't really give a shit where you went, so long as you can do the work. The problem is that a) if they can get someone with a degree from a more well regarded school, what is their incentive to reach down to other schools and b) just because some pros groups/firms do hire from Santa Clara doesn't mean that you're guaranteed any kind of a positive outcome worth having.
rpupkin wrote:Basically, I think the "Don't go to Santa Clara!" advice is generally sound for a run-of-the-mill applicant with no technical background. But if someone is eligible for the patent bar and wants to do patent prosecution, then I think it's a choice worth considering if COA is low.
While I will agree that having the right background can go a long way, it isn't a cure-all. I know people with median grades with good jobs and people with top 10% grades from the same school with VERY similar tech backgrounds who are doing doc review. We aren't saying that no one will get any jobs from many of these schools. What we are saying is that the risk that you will wind up in a bad situation is too high to bother with a lot of these schools. High enough that it isn't even worth the opportunity cost of attending, particularly if there is any debt involved.
In the OP, I placed a post from Campos. I think it's particularly relevant for patent bar eligible people to read it. The type of people who have great backgrounds for pros work are often (although not always) the type of people who are eligible for 60K + starting salaries as engineers, scientists, and researchers. Leaving that job for a low likelihood of success at a shithole is not a good idea, even if the shithole pays for your tuition.