Advice on UVA ED

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Advice on UVA ED

Postby monsterman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:32 pm

So far, the top school to which I've been accepted is Vandy. I have a 3.3 and a 170 with one retake left. I've been wait listed at Duke and Penn, and ED held from Northwestern. I'm still waiting on UVA, Michigan, Georgetown, and Cornell.

My question is, should I switch to ED at UVA? I feel like this will increase my chances, though I'm not sure how that looks switching after I applied in early December.

I want Biglaw, or I want to somehow land up working a public interest job in DC. I realize these are very different, but I know UVA gives me a better shot at this than Vandy. I want to end up working in NY DC or a midwestern city like Pittsburgh or Chicago.

I know I'll likely end up paying sticker at UVA, but I assume that's what would happen if I were accepted RD, anyways. I would attend at sticker.

Any advice on this would be appreciated!

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby BigZuck » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:36 pm

monsterman wrote:So far, the top school to which I've been accepted is Vandy. I have a 3.3 and a 170 with one retake left. I've been wait listed at Duke and Penn, and ED held from Northwestern. I'm still waiting on UVA, Michigan, Georgetown, and Cornell.

My question is, should I switch to ED at UVA? I feel like this will increase my chances, though I'm not sure how that looks switching after I applied in early December.

I want Biglaw, or I want to somehow land up working a public interest job in DC. I realize these are very different, but I know UVA gives me a better shot at this than Vandy. I want to end up working in NY DC or a midwestern city like Pittsburgh or Chicago.

I know I'll likely end up paying sticker at UVA, but I assume that's what would happen if I were accepted RD, anyways. I would attend at sticker.

Any advice on this would be appreciated!


If you don't mind paying sticker, sure.

Pittsburgh is in the Midwest???

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby monsterman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 1:45 pm

BigZuck wrote:
monsterman wrote:So far, the top school to which I've been accepted is Vandy. I have a 3.3 and a 170 with one retake left. I've been wait listed at Duke and Penn, and ED held from Northwestern. I'm still waiting on UVA, Michigan, Georgetown, and Cornell.

My question is, should I switch to ED at UVA? I feel like this will increase my chances, though I'm not sure how that looks switching after I applied in early December.

I want Biglaw, or I want to somehow land up working a public interest job in DC. I realize these are very different, but I know UVA gives me a better shot at this than Vandy. I want to end up working in NY DC or a midwestern city like Pittsburgh or Chicago.

I know I'll likely end up paying sticker at UVA, but I assume that's what would happen if I were accepted RD, anyways. I would attend at sticker.

Any advice on this would be appreciated!


If you don't mind paying sticker, sure.

Pittsburgh is in the Midwest???


Haha I'm from there. That's the general consensus

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby monsterman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:22 pm

But also, is it worth sticker at UVA? I will be taking loans.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby twenty » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:37 pm

I'd probably ED to UVA. You'll be working a lot of biglaw, but if you're cool with that, then sure.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby North » Sat Jan 25, 2014 4:38 pm

Ride out the WLs, don't ED IMO. $200,000 is a lot of money. Your 170 is valuable, some T14 will decide they want it bad enough to pay you. Sincerely, a UVA 1L who ED'd.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby Trout et al » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:15 pm

North wrote:Ride out the WLs, don't ED IMO. $200,000 is a lot of money. Your 170 is valuable, some T14 will decide they want it bad enough to pay you. Sincerely, a UVA 1L who ED'd.


I agree. Be patient and ride out WL's. Plenty of people had $ thrown at them off the WL last cycle during the summer. The cycle is nowhere close to over, you can always ED next cycle, and you could even retake the LSAT in June to boost your chances.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby twenty » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:43 pm

I don't like the idea of sticker debt, either, but the difference between what OP gets at Cornell or Northwestern seems unlikely to be exponentially better than UVA at sticker.

I guess I'd probably hold out until late Feb before EDing.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby BruceWayne » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:49 pm

monsterman wrote:But also, is it worth sticker at UVA? I will be taking loans.


Sticker at UVA is absurd.

Signed, sticker UVA alum.

Of course this is assuming that you don't have a high enough current income to pay sticker without it being an issue. Looking at your numbers riding waitlists will probably pay off.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby BigZuck » Sat Jan 25, 2014 5:55 pm

I thought the whole premise was "I would attend at sticker."

Now it's "Should I pay sticker?"

If that's the case then no. I wouldn't pay sticker at UVA. Don't ED.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby monsterman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:03 pm

Thanks, guys. I've been under the impression that a WL was a death knoll. I guess I will be comfortable waiting out the cycle and waiting until next year/retaking if nothing appealing opens.

I guess my biggest concern is that I will get offered sticker regardless of RD/ED no matter what T-14 I get accepted to. Is there really a chance I get $ with my numbers? At any T-14 school.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby monsterman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:05 pm

BigZuck wrote:I thought the whole premise was "I would attend at sticker."

Now it's "Should I pay sticker?"

If that's the case then no. I wouldn't pay sticker at UVA. Don't ED.


Yeah, I mean I will if that's my best option. I thought in opportunity cost it would make sense long-term. But TLS says otherwise.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby daleearnhardt123 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:08 pm

My understanding is that UVA often makes waitlist offers at/after May 1. If you were to call at or around this time and tell them you were committed if they offered (i.e., essentially you "ED'd") I think it would have the same effect as EDing right now. With that said, as everyone has indicated, you should probably not expect money if you take that path.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby North » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:12 pm

monsterman wrote:I guess my biggest concern is that I will get offered sticker regardless of RD/ED no matter what T-14 I get accepted to.

That's the trap.

monsterman wrote:Is there really a chance I get $ with my numbers? At any T-14 school.

Yes.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby Trout et al » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:13 pm

Any $ at T20's?

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby monsterman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:31 pm

Trout et al wrote:Any $ at T20's?


Almost a full-ride at WUSTL. But in the long-term, won't a T14 make more sense/open more doors?

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby Clearly » Sat Jan 25, 2014 6:47 pm

monsterman wrote:
Trout et al wrote:Any $ at T20's?


Almost a full-ride at WUSTL. But in the long-term, won't a T14 make more sense/open more doors?

Maybe, but will it open $200,000+ worth of doors?

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby monsterman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:05 pm

Clearly wrote:
monsterman wrote:
Trout et al wrote:Any $ at T20's?


Almost a full-ride at WUSTL. But in the long-term, won't a T14 make more sense/open more doors?

Maybe, but will it open $200,000+ worth of doors?


That's what I'm asking you guys haha. But again, I'm trying to think decades down the road, and I don't want to be hindered by a lesser-named school.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby swampman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:29 pm

monsterman wrote:That's what I'm asking you guys haha. But again, I'm trying to think decades down the road, and I don't want to be hindered by a lesser-named school.


The name of a T20 isn't going to hinder you decades down the road (though 250k in debt will), it's getting a job when you graduate that you should be worried about. Spend some time looking at Law School Transparency. It's a risk/reward tradeoff. UVA sends 50% of the class to Biglaw and Fed Clerkships, and WUSTL sends about 25%. How much are you personally willing to pay for that?

Definitely think about your backup plans at various levels of debt if you don't get Biglaw.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby Winston1984 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:30 pm

monsterman wrote:
Clearly wrote:
monsterman wrote:
Trout et al wrote:Any $ at T20's?


Almost a full-ride at WUSTL. But in the long-term, won't a T14 make more sense/open more doors?

Maybe, but will it open $200,000+ worth of doors?


That's what I'm asking you guys haha. But again, I'm trying to think decades down the road, and I don't want to be hindered by a lesser-named school.


From what I can tell, it doesn't matter decades down the road, it matters during your summers and after you graduate. If you land biglaw from WUSTL I can't imagine your lateral options would be much different than someone who went to UVA.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby Hutz_and_Goodman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 7:40 pm

Sticker at UVA is pretty crazy.

I bet if you ride out the wait list you will end up getting into a T14 with like $30 or $45k--which is a ton of money in real terms
Another option is that you could attend a pretty good school on a full scholarship

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby North » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:30 pm

You should go to a T14, IMO, as they offer the best bet at a good outcome from LS. What I, at least, was getting at is that you'll likely get money from at least one of them and should wait for that. Don't ED to UVA doesn't mean take $$ at a T20 instead.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby Clearly » Sat Jan 25, 2014 8:34 pm

By the way, be very active on these waitlist. You'll get one of them.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby Rahviveh » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:01 pm

Did you apply to CCN?

Sticker outside of HYS blows, but your stats and results thus far are not very good. I would probably wait it out a couple more weeks. If you can snag at least Cornell or something then there is no need to ED. On the other hand, if you are sufficiently debt-averse then I can't see you getting schollies big enough to compete with that WUSTL $$$. Then again I probably wouldn't go to Woostle if I wanted big law. Tough call.

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Re: Advice on UVA ED

Postby monsterman » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:20 pm

I didn't apply to CCN, I didn't think I had a chance. Though from a public interest standpoint, I guess I may have a better shot at NYU instead of Penn, especially because that's my background. But thanks, everyone. I will wait a couple weeks and see what plays out first!




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