Re: FSU, UF or W&M?
Posted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:53 pm
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Can you make UF/FSU at sticker work? Sure. It's possible. It's just that you're needlessly making it harder on yourself. It's not necessarily a death sentence; it's just way more difficult than it needs to be. The effort required to break into the 160s on the LSAT is about 1/1000th of the effort required to pay off 100,000+ in debt on a 50k a year starting salary.SailorMoon9543 wrote:TheSpanishMain wrote:SailorMoon9543 wrote:
You're right -- it's fine to give me an opinion. But when I've already said five different times that I'm not retaking, it's time to stop. And your analogy is just not true. FSU and UF are great schools and repaying the debt one will incur is definitely worth it if they want it bad enough. I'm not going to rehash everything that I've already said. I get annoyed when people argue just to argue. It's pointless and not productive. And if you don't see that's what many people are doing, then you're blind.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/19/us/lawyer ... ?hpt=hp_t2SailorMoon9543 wrote:Bullshit.timbs4339 wrote:Law school is known for exacerbating anxiety disorders and pairing them with other stuff like substance abuse.SailorMoon9543 wrote:
Your logic is puzzling. You know you could do better, you are presumably aware of the massive and nearly limitless benefits that retaking can yield (for someone with a good GPA like yourself), and you recognize that the conditions which caused you to fail the first two times are no longer present. You essentially have free money on the table, and all it will cost you to take it is sitting through a four hour exam.SailorMoon9543 wrote:Trust me, it's very frustrating knowing that I could do better. Looking at my score and seeing that AGAIN I had missed the first 10 or so questions in the first section and done great on the rest of the test definitely sucked. Point is: I just can't bring myself to take it again. I didn't post to get a lecture on retaking the LSAT. I would like opinions on what options I have right now.matthewsean85 wrote:That's not what I said at all. What I assume is that you can't be sure your anxiety won't attack when law school exams come around as well. Can you really be sure that your anxiety is LSAT-specific?You're assuming I don't understand that grading curves and rankings effect placement because I said that I have anxiety?
If this is true, why not give the LSAT one last shot just to see if you can finally conquer it and save yourself thousands of dollars? You can do whatever you like, and ultimately UF/FSU for cheap is your best option out of these. But if I were you, I would give the LSAT one last shot and see if I could finally conquer it. I hate leaving money on the table if I think I have a reasonable shot at taking it.My anxiety has been much better in the last few months( finally seeing a counselor has really helped).
This computes.rickgrimes69 wrote: Your logic is puzzling. You know you could do better, you are presumably aware of the massive and nearly limitless benefits that retaking can yield (for someone with a good GPA like yourself), and you recognize that the conditions which caused you to fail the first two times are no longer present. You essentially have free money on the table, and all it will cost you to take it is sitting through a four hour exam.
Fact is, 1L exams are every bit as stressful (if not more stressful) than the LSAT. Unlike the LSAT, which is objective, predictable, and very learnable, law school exams are unpredictable to the point of feeling arbitrary (especially in 1L). Unlike the LSAT, which has no entrance standards, in law school you are competing against your academic peers: people who all came with similar LSATs and GPAs. Unlike the LSAT, which is just one four-hour test, in law school you're studying for three or four multi-hour tests. Bottom line: if you think you will magically overcome test anxiety in a 1L classroom, you're gonna have a bad time.
I'm actually trying to be real with you because I sense your frustration and totally identify with it, as do many members of this forum. We've been there, we know, retaking sucks and it's actually the last thing you want to do. Thing is, law school (and being a lawyer) is going to require us to do a lot of stuff that's hard and shitty and we won't want to do it. That sucks, but it's part of the job. If you can't accept that then you might want to rethink being a lawyer.
I don't think anyone is trying to make you feel bad, I really don't, just trying to help you see that you do have a much better 3rd option. As the cycle goes on, I regret more and more not retaking my 169, and I have some good choices for law school. With retaking the LSAT, you pay such a small amount of money and time to improve your acceptance chances and scholarship money so significantly. Everyone on TLS was telling me to retake to catch my score up to my GPA and I didn't listen and wish I had.SailorMoon9543 wrote:Again, this is not helpful. Posters like you who intentionally try to make people feel bad (does it make you feel better somehow?) about their performance in law school and general outlook on life are why many people stay off of threads and forums. If you want to be an ass, go somewhere else. As I've said many times, I want opinions on my current options. Anything else is not welcome.
180timbs4339 wrote:Realize you might be making a terrible choice.
Evaluate whether you can achieve your goals with your current score.
Trust the experienced lawyers and law students who understand this process better than you do.
Accept their advice to give yourself the best chance to achieve your goals.
Kill your next LSAT sitting.
Enjoy a lot of money from current schools or significantly better job prospects at different ones.
I'm not trying to be a dick, either. But your anxiety disorder is all the more reason to retake. Better to suffer through one additional administration of the LSAT that could allow you to get into much better schools--than suffer through dozens of law exams knowing you have to score in the top 10% to get a decent job. Try and get into a school where you can get a decent job by only scoring in the top 40% of the class or so, and the anxiety will be less.SailorMoon9543 wrote: I have an anxiety disorder. I have for the last few years ever since I was home alone and my house was broken into. Stress brings the anxiety on. The LSAT made this stress worse and definitely contributed to my score not being as high as it could have. Taking it over is really NOT an option for me. If you have any advice besides telling me to retake, you're welcome to give it.