IU Bloomington vs. Washington & Lee Forum

[A. Nony Mouse]

I would lament your lack of professionalism without hesitation. My only "attack" was certainly not personal and well-deserved if you look at the vitriol and ridiculousness of his litany of posts against a school he doesn't even attend. There's obviously more to the story and transparency is a reasonable request. My comments were objective and accurate.

How is speculating that someone must be bitter for not having received a big enough scholarship from a school not personal? Also, since you haven't posted much here, you might not be aware that the tone is generally extremely blunt and even crass, and posters here just have to deal with that, but the content of users' advice is sound.

And there is nothing "sublime" about a young black man happily yielding a gun as your avatar. Thanks for reinforcing stereotypes.

And thank you for adding a second personal comment as an example of your own "professionalism."

[brotherdarkness]

What's this T4 shit? In terms of lay prestige, sure, I could understand the argument that UVA isn't "national." But we're not talking about lay prestige, we're talking about the legal industry. Everyone who works in the legal industry knows damn well what the T14 schools are.

[raininthedesert]

You very well know what this "T4 shit" is and the legal industry was not forged within the past 5-7 years. Legal veterans have no idea and certainly could care less about an arbitrary T14.

[raininthedesert]

You're welcome "A. Nony Mouse." Your response is out-of-scope but thanks for the feedback. Being extremely blunt is markedly different than being crass. If crass is what you and other TLS'ers are gunning for...good luck with Big Law. I hope I get the chance to interview you during OCI.

[sublime]

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[raininthedesert]

Touche "sublime." Well said.

[sublime]

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[raininthedesert]

My apologies. It isn't necessarily a relevant distinction...it's just frequently "dropped" into many threads arbitrarily.

And I was just making sure I captured my alma mater (Columbia Law) for comparative accuracy..."my future T4 peers."

[A. Nony Mouse]

You're welcome "A. Nony Mouse." Your response is out-of-scope but thanks for the feedback. Being extremely blunt is markedly different than being crass. If crass is what you and other TLS'ers are gunning for...good luck with Big Law. I hope I get the chance to interview you during OCI.

Just explaining what things are like around here; you're not likely to change them single-handedly, but you're welcome to try, I guess.

And I already have a job, but thanks for your best wishes.

[brotherdarkness]

You're welcome "A. Nony Mouse." Your response is out-of-scope but thanks for the feedback. Being extremely blunt is markedly different than being crass. If crass is what you and other TLS'ers are gunning for...good luck with Big Law. I hope I get the chance to interview you during OCI.

Are you a biglaw associate?

[raininthedesert]

Congratulations (genuine) on securing a job. You will likely find as you progress in your career that "arrogance" and "crassness" will not play well in most legal environments; not to mention how surprised you might be by the talent level of attorneys that attended lower tier schools.

Sardonic wit on the other hand...fair game

[A. Nony Mouse]

Congratulations (genuine) on securing a job. You will likely find as you progress in your career that "arrogance" and "crassness" will not play well in most legal environments; not to mention how surprised you might be by the talent level of attorneys that attended lower tier schools.

Sardonic wit on the other hand...fair game

I probably wasn't clear... I graduated in 2011, so I'm fairly familiar with legal environments by now (and I had a whole other career before law). And lol at me attending a T4 or a T-14 or anything along those lines; I went to a lower tier 1.

I think my point about bluntness and crassness might be better expressed this way: it might help you to think of TLS as the locker room of law schools and law school applications.

[yeslekkkk]

Stongfaithgirl, what's your deal? Why do you keep posting threads between two random schools asking for people's opinions?

[Kimikho]

This was a great thread.

[Gooner91]

UVA is a "great" law school...LOL. Now I understand why you chose the handle "You Dumb Dildo." UVA is certainly not a nationally portable brand.

Not sure how a 0L claims to be so knowledgeable about Virginia schools. I have no ties to the area or those schools but you obviously have a personal vendetta against Washington & Lee. William & Mary Law is equally isolated and can only fall back on its undergraduate reputation (admittedly a great undergraduate institution) to carry any subjective prestige at the graduate level (e.g., MBA, MS.Ed., etc.).

I thought this too about W&M vs W&L when I read that then I checked LST. W&L has terrible job placement.

[phillywc]

This was a great thread.

Indeed it was. A great posting debut.

[TheSpanishMain]

I would lament your lack of professionalism without hesitation. My only "attack" was certainly not personal and well-deserved if you look at the vitriol and ridiculousness of his litany of posts against a school he doesn't even attend. There's obviously more to the story and transparency is a reasonable request. My comments were objective and accurate.

You're right. Washington and Lee touched me inappropriately at a party. Thank you for helping me elevate my professional comportment on the internet. You are a TLS treasure.

I hope I get the chance to interview you during OCI.

[raininthedesert]

That specific "post" wasn't directed at you.

The only treasure is that you, as a OL with apparently some phenomenal full scholarship offers, feel informed enough to be making subjective statements about schools that you haven't visited or attended.

Immature avatars and passive aggressive posts might work in the military but certainly don't work in professional legal environments. You will quickly find that you are never the smartest person in the room and that it takes hard work and affability to navigate the politics in a Big Law environment.

I wish you the best at law school and your future career endeavors.

[BigZuck]

That specific "post" wasn't directed at you.

The only treasure is that you, as a OL with apparently some phenomenal full scholarship offers, feel informed enough to be making subjective statements about schools that you haven't visited or attended.

Immature avatars and passive aggressive posts might work in the military but certainly don't work in professional legal environments. You will quickly find that you are never the smartest person in the room and that it takes hard work and affability to navigate the politics in a Big Law environment.

I wish you the best at law school and your future career endeavors.

Why is "post" in "quotes?"

[A. Nony Mouse]

I'm so glad raininthedesert is here to school us all in affability. It's extremely kind of him/her.

[TheSpanishMain]

That specific "post" wasn't directed at you.


Why is "post" in "quotes?"

I was "wondering" that myself, "BigZuck."

The only treasure is that you, as a OL with apparently some phenomenal full scholarship offers, feel informed enough to be making subjective statements about schools that you haven't visited or attended.

Immature avatars and passive aggressive posts might work in the military but certainly don't work in professional legal environments. You will quickly find that you are never the smartest person in the room and that it takes hard work and affability to navigate the politics in a Big Law environment.

I wish you the best at law school and your future career endeavors.

My subjective statements about Washington and Lee are entirely based on the fact that it's really expensive and doesn't provide a great chance at securing a legal job. That's it. I have no vendetta against the place. If it starts placing a high percentage of its graduates into decent jobs, I'll happily adjust my opinion accordingly. If you'd like to argue that W&L actually is a good investment for most people, go ahead. I'm prepared to change my mind if you do something besides go into hectoring dad mode and wax on about vitriol and black men yielding (wielding?) guns. Why do you have such a hard on for avatars and professional comportment on an internet message board? Are we failing in our obligations as Professional Internet Posters?

Thanks for the life lesson on hard work and affability in Big Law. For the record, I never even said I planned to enter Big Law. I only brought it up because the OP said that was her goal. For the record, I can virtually guarantee I've worked in environments that demand more hard work, interpersonal skills, and tact than your office.

Good luck in your quest to elevate the TLS discourse and stop all the immature tomfoolery.

[Strongfaithgirl]

geeez TLS Forums seem to be full of unhappy law grads that went to crappy school's, that now are unemployed or at crappy jobs. They all have no lives and a HUGE vandetta against law school and everyone else. I would ask what school's they went to but unfortunately I do not care enough. I thought I would get some sort of unbiased responses and a inkling of objectiveness but unfortunately that is not the case. This forum is a waste of time clearly, as some posters have nothing better to do but post inappropriate remarks and comments.

[bananasplit19]

...unbiased responses and a inkling of objectiveness...

I'm not sure the words "unbiased" and "objectiveness" mean what you think they mean.

[californiauser]

geeez TLS Forums seem to be full of unhappy law grads that went to crappy school's, that now are unemployed or at crappy jobs. They all have no lives and a HUGE vandetta against law school and everyone else. I would ask what school's they went to but unfortunately I do not care enough. I thought I would get some sort of unbiased responses and a inkling of objectiveness but unfortunately that is not the case. This forum is a waste of time clearly, as some posters have nothing better to do but post inappropriate remarks and comments.

*comes to toplawschools.com*

*gets mad when people won't espouse the idea of going to a school that gives its students a 50% (at best) chance of becoming a lawyer*

This is like going to a Ferarri forum and getting mad when people won't give you advice on which exhaust to put on your Honda Civic.

[TheSpanishMain]

geeez TLS Forums seem to be full of unhappy law grads that went to crappy school's, that now are unemployed or at crappy jobs. They all have no lives and a HUGE vandetta against law school and everyone else. I would ask what school's they went to but unfortunately I do not care enough. I thought I would get some sort of unbiased responses and a inkling of objectiveness but unfortunately that is not the case. This forum is a waste of time clearly, as some posters have nothing better to do but post inappropriate remarks and comments.

It's not even about the schools themselves. It's about the mismatch between the schools and your stated goals. You keep saying you want Big Law, and then asking about schools that give you a very low chance of getting a Big Law job. Why is this hard for you to understand?

If you said, "I want to work in a small firm or state/local government" then you'd get entirely different answers.