So what's up with unranked law schools?

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So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby ScottRiqui » Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:53 pm

What's the story behind law schools that are ABA-accredited, but not given a ranking by USNWR? Are the schools withholding information that US News would need in order to rank them, or does US News just lump them all into 'unranked' out of a sense of mercy?

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby ltrego » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:37 pm

USNWR wrote: 9. What does Rank Not Published and Unranked mean?

Rank Not Published means that U.S. News did calculate a numerical ranking for that school/program, but decided for editorial reasons that since the school/program ranked below the U.S. News cutoff that U.S. News would not publish the ranking for that school/program.

U.S. News will supply schools/programs listed as Rank Not Published with their numerical rankings, if they submit a request following the procedures listed in the Information for School Officials.

Schools/programs marked as Rank Not Published are listed alphabetically. Rank Not Published is for the schools that are in the bottom 25 percent of the rankings in business, education, engineering, law, and medicine and schools/programs in peer assessment only rankings with scores of less than 2.0.

Unranked means that U.S. News did not calculate a numerical ranking for that school or program. The school or program did not supply U.S. News with enough key statistical data to be numerically ranked by U.S. News. Schools or programs marked as Unranked are listed alphabetically and are listed below those marked as Rank Not Published.

A school's numerical rank tells you how many schools garner a higher score on the U.S. News ranking model. Schools that have the same score are listed alphabetically.

For example, suppose that a single school scores higher than all others on the U.S. News ranking model. It then has Rank 1. Now suppose that three schools are tied with the second-highest score. Each of those three schools will have Rank 2. Then the next-highest-scoring school will have Rank 5.

The fifth-ranked school achieves a third-highest score, but because of the three-way tie among schools achieving the second-highest score, there are four schools that rank higher, so the third-highest-scoring school has Rank 5, not Rank 3. In this example, no school has a rank of 3 or 4.

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby daryldixon » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:38 pm

ScottRiqui wrote:What's the story behind law schools that are ABA-accredited, but not given a ranking by USNWR? Are the schools withholding information that US News would need in order to rank them, or does US News just lump them all into 'unranked' out of a sense of mercy?

If they are ABA approved it usually means they are TTT.

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby jbagelboy » Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:44 pm

I think the gist of what they're getting at is "do not attend"

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby thedive » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:34 am

There are national schools and then there are strong regional schools. If a school is not a national school and not the number one school in the region, do not attend. It is as simple as that. Some garbage school that charges outrageous tuition in a saturated market is not better than a strong regional school despite the fact it has a "higher ranking" or whatever.

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby UnderrateOverachieve » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:48 am

I assume they are for working professionals that just need the license for X,Y, and Z purposes. I hope...

For example, I know someone who has a terrific business in referral work, but is getting fucked out of money because you need an attorney middleman. He literally just needs to get a J.D. and sit for the bar.

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby Nova » Thu Dec 19, 2013 9:30 am

they all really suck, so no one cares

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby timbs4339 » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:01 am

ScottRiqui wrote:What's the story behind law schools that are ABA-accredited, but not given a ranking by USNWR? Are the schools withholding information that US News would need in order to rank them, or does US News just lump them all into 'unranked' out of a sense of mercy?


It's pointless to rank so many schools when there's little difference between them and rankings can shift so suddenly YOY. No reason to be mean like that. Then again, USNWR rankings are basically pointless anyway.

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby stillwater » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:05 am

Nova wrote:they all really suck, so no one cares


couldnt say it better myself

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby Nooblarzlarz » Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:48 am

Only exception to what everyone is saying would be UC Irvine. It's currently unranked because it's not eligible to be ranked until 2015 (I think).

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby phillywc » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:12 pm

Nooblarzlarz wrote:Only exception to what everyone is saying would be UC Irvine. It's currently unranked because it's not eligible to be ranked until 2015 (I think).

Should probably still be avoided until we have more info.

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby stillwater » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:39 pm

phillywc wrote:
Nooblarzlarz wrote:Only exception to what everyone is saying would be UC Irvine. It's currently unranked because it's not eligible to be ranked until 2015 (I think).

Should probably still be avoided until we have more info.


yea, TLS' resident expert, Dr. Dre, can speak to the TTT status of UC-Irvine

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby phillywc » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:50 pm

stillwater wrote:
phillywc wrote:
Nooblarzlarz wrote:Only exception to what everyone is saying would be UC Irvine. It's currently unranked because it's not eligible to be ranked until 2015 (I think).

Should probably still be avoided until we have more info.


yea, TLS' resident expert, Dr. Dre, can speak to the TTT status of UC-Irvine

Hah. I'm higher on UC Irvine than most. I think it ends up being a T30 school, if not right away than soon, and that it will at least for a few years, have job results that outpace its ranking.


Still wouldn't attend until at least class of 2020 though. I need information and there just isn't enough.

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Re: So what's up with unranked law schools?

Postby Nonconsecutive » Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:56 pm

Nova wrote:they all really suck, so no one cares


:lol:




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