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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby kwu » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:51 pm

Lay prestige is an oxymoron.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby wiz » Sat Nov 16, 2013 11:55 pm

It's Harvard, Yale, Stanford, then no one gives a shit.

But yeah,
rad lulz wrote:This thread sucks

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby EstebanMFernandez » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:12 am

I DON'T think this thread sucks. It probably belongs in the off-topic board since it has absolutely NOTHING to do with admissions. Isn't itfun to compare how people rank schools? Plus if you have high prestige when you go to your reunions you can whip out the name of your school and everyone will think you're dope.

From MY experience on the best coast

1. Harvard
2. Stanford
3. Yale
4. Columbia (Obama went there right?!)

Cornell (Where the heck is that?) Penn (JoePa and Sandusky jokes even though that's the wrong school), Duke (BASKETBALL, I love coach K btw), Chicago (Who?), Berkley (Hey hey hey... smoke weed everyday)

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby KingofSplitters55 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:33 am

People in general definitely discount Chicago and NYU especially harshly. Yale definitely seems to be discounted a bit as well - I'd say the "elite law schools", as an average perception of an average lay-person (irrespective of geographic location), would place the most elite law schools as:

Harvard
Columbia
Georgetown

These schools definitely produce some of the most prominent alumni, have large class sizes, and in Georgetown's case reach deeply into the pool which allows more people to come in contact with it.

I definitely think the prominent alumni aspect is key too - schools like Duke, Chicago, Michigan, Northwestern, etc don't really produce any 'star-level' notable people, while the list of famous and accomplished Georgetown Law graduates rivals that of any law school in the country easily.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby KingofSplitters55 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:35 am

umichman wrote:
Kikero wrote:
banjo wrote:
MistakenGenius wrote:Harvard and Yale really could switch places in my mind and I wouldn't argue, both make the panties drop.


Yeah...this is how a conversation in a decent NYC bar will actually go:

Girl: "So what do you do?"
Guy: "Oh, I'm a one-el at Harvard Law School."
Girl: "A one-el?"
Guy: "Yeah, a first-year at Harvard Law."
Girl: "Oh...that's cool...so you're still a student."
Guy: "Yeah, so what about you?"
Girl: "I'm an associate at Goldman Sachs."


OP's in the Southeast though. That means law school, even Cooley, is pretty impressive.


yes

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby DrStudMuffin » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:50 am

rad lulz wrote:This thread sucks

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby HYSenberg » Sun Nov 17, 2013 12:56 am

A. Nony Mouse wrote:Why do you care about a law school's prestige outside of the legal profession, where you will presumably be trying to get a job?


The whole point of spending 250k on a legal education is to sleep with copious amounts law school prestige groupies, obviously. Dat lay prestige.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby wolfgang » Sun Nov 17, 2013 1:51 am

kbc wrote:Princeton Law is probably considered T10 in the layperson's mind.



Seriously, this is probably the BEST first post ever. I all but wet myself.

So true... so true.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby 2014 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:14 am

KingofSplitters55 wrote:People in general definitely discount Chicago and NYU especially harshly. Yale definitely seems to be discounted a bit as well - I'd say the "elite law schools", as an average perception of an average lay-person (irrespective of geographic location), would place the most elite law schools as:

Harvard
Columbia
Georgetown

These schools definitely produce some of the most prominent alumni, have large class sizes, and in Georgetown's case reach deeply into the pool which allows more people to come in contact with it.

I definitely think the prominent alumni aspect is key too - schools like Duke, Chicago, Michigan, Northwestern, etc don't really produce any 'star-level' notable people, while the list of famous and accomplished Georgetown Law graduates rivals that of any law school in the country easily.

The next NBA commissioner and the founder of TMZ are U.Chi alums. Ball's in your court GULC

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby californiauser » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:18 am

2014 wrote:
KingofSplitters55 wrote:People in general definitely discount Chicago and NYU especially harshly. Yale definitely seems to be discounted a bit as well - I'd say the "elite law schools", as an average perception of an average lay-person (irrespective of geographic location), would place the most elite law schools as:

Harvard
Columbia
Georgetown

These schools definitely produce some of the most prominent alumni, have large class sizes, and in Georgetown's case reach deeply into the pool which allows more people to come in contact with it.

I definitely think the prominent alumni aspect is key too - schools like Duke, Chicago, Michigan, Northwestern, etc don't really produce any 'star-level' notable people, while the list of famous and accomplished Georgetown Law graduates rivals that of any law school in the country easily.

The next NBA commissioner and the founder of TMZ are U.Chi alums. Ball's in your court GULC


This won't change the fact that the average person thinks U Chicago is the Chicago campus of the Illinois public school system.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby 2014 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:26 am

I'm going to survey a random sample of commoners I find walking the streets tomorrow and ask them to rank law schools to settle this.
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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby wiz » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:26 am

2014 wrote:
KingofSplitters55 wrote:People in general definitely discount Chicago and NYU especially harshly. Yale definitely seems to be discounted a bit as well - I'd say the "elite law schools", as an average perception of an average lay-person (irrespective of geographic location), would place the most elite law schools as:

Harvard
Columbia
Georgetown

These schools definitely produce some of the most prominent alumni, have large class sizes, and in Georgetown's case reach deeply into the pool which allows more people to come in contact with it.

I definitely think the prominent alumni aspect is key too - schools like Duke, Chicago, Michigan, Northwestern, etc don't really produce any 'star-level' notable people, while the list of famous and accomplished Georgetown Law graduates rivals that of any law school in the country easily.

The next NBA commissioner and the founder of TMZ are U.Chi alums. Ball's in your court GULC


LBJ and Rumsfeld dabbled in some GULC.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby BigZuck » Sun Nov 17, 2013 2:53 am

It is my sincere hope that the OP will stop making sucky flame threads. If he's going to insist on trolling, at least make it funny.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby jbagelboy » Sun Nov 17, 2013 3:32 am

wiz wrote:
2014 wrote:
KingofSplitters55 wrote:People in general definitely discount Chicago and NYU especially harshly. Yale definitely seems to be discounted a bit as well - I'd say the "elite law schools", as an average perception of an average lay-person (irrespective of geographic location), would place the most elite law schools as:

Harvard
Columbia
Georgetown

These schools definitely produce some of the most prominent alumni, have large class sizes, and in Georgetown's case reach deeply into the pool which allows more people to come in contact with it.

I definitely think the prominent alumni aspect is key too - schools like Duke, Chicago, Michigan, Northwestern, etc don't really produce any 'star-level' notable people, while the list of famous and accomplished Georgetown Law graduates rivals that of any law school in the country easily.

The next NBA commissioner and the founder of TMZ are U.Chi alums. Ball's in your court GULC


LBJ and Rumsfeld dabbled in some GULC.


This is a pointless exercise.

But for fun, on the UChi side: Amy Klobuchar (Senator from MN).

Also, GULC alumni aren't really in the running w/ HLS and CLS. And while we're counting alumni, discarding Yale is foolish. Bill & Hillary yo!

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby 20141023 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:18 am

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:43 am

I assume by "lay prestige" you mean which schools would be best for girls in bars. I mean, do you really give a shit how impressed your parents' friends are at a cocktail party?

Protip: The Northwestern student who isn't worried about whether his school is preftigious enough to pick up women has an infinitely better chance than the Harvard kid who is so concerned with lay preftige that he makes TLS threads about it. HTH.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby 2014 » Sun Nov 17, 2013 11:48 am

wiz wrote:
2014 wrote:
KingofSplitters55 wrote:People in general definitely discount Chicago and NYU especially harshly. Yale definitely seems to be discounted a bit as well - I'd say the "elite law schools", as an average perception of an average lay-person (irrespective of geographic location), would place the most elite law schools as:

Harvard
Columbia
Georgetown

These schools definitely produce some of the most prominent alumni, have large class sizes, and in Georgetown's case reach deeply into the pool which allows more people to come in contact with it.

I definitely think the prominent alumni aspect is key too - schools like Duke, Chicago, Michigan, Northwestern, etc don't really produce any 'star-level' notable people, while the list of famous and accomplished Georgetown Law graduates rivals that of any law school in the country easily.

The next NBA commissioner and the founder of TMZ are U.Chi alums. Ball's in your court GULC


LBJ and Rumsfeld dabbled in some GULC.

JOHN ASHCROFT

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby Lobster » Sun Nov 17, 2013 7:59 pm

I don't care much for rankings as I don't feel they matter, but I think this is fun to play. Here are my "lay prestige" rankings:

1. Harvard
2. Yale
3. Columbia
4. Stanford
5. Berkeley
6. Penn
7. Georgetown
8. Cornell
9. Duke
10. NYU
11.Northwestern
12. Chicago
13. Michigan
14. Virginia

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby AntipodeanPhil » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:32 am

Since there is nothing I like more than wallowing in shallowness, I feel compelled to point out that there is data on this question (kind of). Every few years, Gallup conducts a poll that asks people what they think the best university in the US is.

The basic point: Harvard dominates, Yale and Stanford are a distant second equal (with a clear East Coast / West Coast divide), and after that it's basically just whatever university is big in the city/state/region you're from.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/9109/harvard ... ublic.aspx

Of course, this isn't law school specific, but if you think the public can distinguish law school prestige from general/undergrad prestige, something is wrong with you.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby run26.2 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:45 am

Who cares? Any lay prestige of your law school is short-lived. You will graduate and go work in a firm. And no one who is not a lawyer will ever recognize the name of your firm. And you won't say, "Oh, but I went to Harvard!"

And if you work anywhere else, people will form their impressions based on your job. No one outside the law will have an opportunity to form an impression of you based on your school, unless you go to an elite school and spout off about it, in which case they will think a lot less of you.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby Crowing » Mon Nov 18, 2013 1:48 am

2014 wrote:I'm going to survey a random sample of commoners I find walking the streets tomorrow and ask them to rank law schools to settle this.


I'll bet you that even if you did this in Hyde Park nobody would mention UChicago.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby 2014 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:54 pm

Crowing wrote:
2014 wrote:I'm going to survey a random sample of commoners I find walking the streets tomorrow and ask them to rank law schools to settle this.


I'll bet you that even if you did this in Hyde Park nobody would mention UChicago.

Your average Hyde Parker walking the streets would struggle to spell "law school" much less name any lol

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby Cicero76 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:04 pm

run26.2 wrote:Who cares? Any lay prestige of your law school is short-lived. You will graduate and go work in a firm. And no one who is not a lawyer will ever recognize the name of your firm. And you won't say, "Oh, but I went to Harvard!"

And if you work anywhere else, people will form their impressions based on your job. No one outside the law will have an opportunity to form an impression of you based on your school, unless you go to an elite school and spout off about it, in which case they will think a lot less of you.


This is not true.

Also, like OP I'm from the South. Every time I tell someone I go to Yale, they ask if I applied to Harvard with a pitying face. Beyond that, Columbia, Duke, and Georgetown have outsized reputations for God knows what reason. A random kid at my undergrad (UF) had transferred from Cornell, and that was a huge panty dropper for reasons that are frankly beyond comprehension.

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Re: Schools' Preftige?

Postby run26.2 » Mon Nov 18, 2013 3:45 pm

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