Holy Sh*t!! It's real?! Forum

[twenty]

In fairness, 4k a year is substantially less than most other graduate programs in SoCal. I can see spending four years at 4k a year on a worthless law degree than 10k a year on a worthless communications masters degree.

[haus]

In fairness, 4k a year is substantially less than most other graduate programs in SoCal. I can see spending four years at 4k a year on a worthless law degree than 10k a year on a worthless communications masters degree.

While I do agree with you, it is a bit of damning with faint praise. I can think of a few mild diseases I would prefer over a worthless communications masters degree.

[twenty]

Oh, yeah, that's not to say it's a high bar by any stretch.

[unc0mm0n1]

$4,000 in tuition per year? Bravo PCL! Bravo!

Is there an ABA school with an list annual tuition under $10k/year?

BYU is right around that amount... if you're Mormon. The only thing is that Mormons have to pay 10% of their income as "tithing" to their church, so in the long run it probably isn't as economical as people make it out to be (assuming that students don't enter the church right before starting law school and then quit the church immediately thereafter).

To be fair, every denomination of Christian church I've been to says that the congregation should tithe 10%. However it's largely enforced through a combination of peer pressure and guilt, whereas it sounds like Mormon's tithing is more... serious.

I think a few don't follow tithing, I know Jehovah's Witnesses don't.

[xylocarp]

To be fair, every denomination of Christian church I've been to says that the congregation should tithe 10%. However it's largely enforced through a combination of peer pressure and guilt, whereas it sounds like Mormon's tithing is more... serious.

I think a few don't follow tithing, I know Jehovah's Witnesses don't.

Catholics don't tithe either, and that's a pretty big demographic.

[MoMettaMonk]

To be fair, every denomination of Christian church I've been to says that the congregation should tithe 10%. However it's largely enforced through a combination of peer pressure and guilt, whereas it sounds like Mormon's tithing is more... serious.

I think a few don't follow tithing, I know Jehovah's Witnesses don't.

Catholics don't tithe either, and that's a pretty big demographic.

Not to drag this thread closer to the religious rabbit hole that we've been on the edge of here, but to clarify what I meant by "tithing;" I was largely pointing to the fact that even church's that don't have a strict tithing requirement like LDS still encourage giving what you're able (passing the plate, as I've come to know it), and taking this into consideration can offset the long term cost difference of attending BYU versus a more expensive school.

Of course this point is totally moot if you're not someone who would donate to a church at all, at which point BYU falls into the normal cost/benefit analysis that we usually do around these parts.

[Sourrudedude]

If anyone has seen A Lawyer Walks into a Bar, I'm pretty sure one of the people they follow went there.

[mewalke1]

If anyone has seen A Lawyer Walks into a Bar, I'm pretty sure one of the people they follow went there.

Is that a documentary?

[20141023]

.

[mewalke1]

Anyway, sorry for the rant. I just wanted to clarify why it pisses me off when people say that "BYU is inexpensive" when the school is subsidizing its costs via the tithing payments of its members, who will likely pay many times the cost of tuition to the Church over the span of their careers.

I think that you are leaving some things out of the equation. It is like a tax but a tax you choose to partipate in. And like a tax it gives acces to things. Church buildings, temples, welfare when needed etc.

Is BYU cheaper because its subsidized by members of course it is. But ASU is subsidized by taxes.....and it's $26,000 a year for in state. BYU is what $10,000 a year? My family is Mormon and lived in Arizona for around the last 30 years and I guarantee my dad has paid a hell of a lot more in taxes than in tithing. I don't know his tax rate but he is a surgeon and has had the opportunity to make pretty good money. So in that case,for someone like me, BYU is really cheap.

I think saying BYU isn't really cheap because of tithing is like saying public school isn't cheap because of taxes. You could definitely look at it that way but if you choose to participate in Being a US Citizen or being Mormon the tax or tithing is just part of it.



Excuse the choppy writing..... I just got an iPad and I am not very good at typing on it.

[haus]

Is BYU cheaper because its subsidized by members of course it is. But ASU is subsidized by taxes.....and it's $26,000 a year for in state. BYU is what $10,000 a year? My family is Mormon and lived in Arizona for around the last 30 years and I guarantee my dad has paid a hell of a lot more in taxes than in tithing. I don't know his tax rate but he is a surgeon and has had the opportunity to make pretty good money. So in that case,for someone like me, BYU is really cheap.

For the most part taxes are non-optional, whereas belonging to be a member of a religion is optional. Your taxes subsidize highways, EPA, law enforcement, military... all things not picked up by most religions.

Assuming similar career paths, I would rather pay $26k/year for three years vice $10k/year + 10% of my income per year for life.

[20141023]

.

[Sourrudedude]

If anyone has seen A Lawyer Walks into a Bar, I'm pretty sure one of the people they follow went there.

Is that a documentary?

Yeah. It might be on Netflix but I'm not sure. It's about like five different law grads in California trying to pass the bar.

[mewalke1]

If anyone has seen A Lawyer Walks into a Bar, I'm pretty sure one of the people they follow went there.

Is that a documentary?

Yeah. It might be on Netflix but I'm not sure. It's about like five different law grads in California trying to pass the bar.

Awesome ill try and check it out

[20160810]

Put me on team PCL. I'd rather pay the price of a Dodge Dart to go to this shitstaian of a school and roll the dice on the bar than borrow $200,000 to go to McGeorge.

[john1990]

It looked like a public law library to me