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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby arklaw13 » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:06 pm

Vandy's LSAT medians were down, but I don't remember if GPA was or not.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby Nova » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:06 pm

xJD2017x wrote:
bouleversement wrote:Berkeley.

3.68/3.81/3.91 -> 3.66/3.78/3.89
163/167/170 -> 166/167/169

Applications down from 7,027 to 5,944. Class size up from 263 to 286.


Is that a joke?? They were saying on their twitter that apps went up. That has to be a mistake.

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/37.htm

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby ArtistOfManliness » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:07 pm

Desert Fox wrote:lol 0Ls


Haha way to patronize us... but I fear that you are right.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby hephaestus » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:09 pm

xJD2017x wrote:
bouleversement wrote:Berkeley.

3.68/3.81/3.91 -> 3.66/3.78/3.89
163/167/170 -> 166/167/169

Applications down from 7,027 to 5,944. Class size up from 263 to 286.


Is that a joke?? They were saying on their twitter that apps went up. That has to be a mistake.

Maybe they were projected to be up based on figures from last year at the same point in the year (eg January to January comparison before apps closed).

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby xJD2017x » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:10 pm

Nova wrote:
xJD2017x wrote:
bouleversement wrote:Berkeley.

3.68/3.81/3.91 -> 3.66/3.78/3.89
163/167/170 -> 166/167/169

Applications down from 7,027 to 5,944. Class size up from 263 to 286.


Is that a joke?? They were saying on their twitter that apps went up. That has to be a mistake.

http://www.law.berkeley.edu/37.htm


WoW california is BAD. Stanford is letting people off the waitlist like yesterteday as were USC and UCLA of course.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby bouleversement » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:14 pm

xJD2017x wrote:
bouleversement wrote:Berkeley.

3.68/3.81/3.91 -> 3.66/3.78/3.89
163/167/170 -> 166/167/169

Applications down from 7,027 to 5,944. Class size up from 263 to 286.


Is that a joke?? They were saying on their twitter that apps went up. That has to be a mistake.


Especially surprising given Duke's performance.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby xJD2017x » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:25 pm

bouleversement wrote:
xJD2017x wrote:
bouleversement wrote:Berkeley.

3.68/3.81/3.91 -> 3.66/3.78/3.89
163/167/170 -> 166/167/169

Applications down from 7,027 to 5,944. Class size up from 263 to 286.


Is that a joke?? They were saying on their twitter that apps went up. That has to be a mistake.


Especially surprising given Duke's performance.



The dean of Duke law was bragging Duke was one of only 7 schools that had increases in apps. I guess Berkeley is not one of them.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby NYstate » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:31 pm

Can someone explain this increase in class size to me? Given the data on the drop in applicants and the drop in high scores, I'm surprised.

Also, with Stanford - who has been withdrawing? Why are they still going to the wait list? Is this more evidence that the top students have other options and decide not to go?

Both of these things are surprising to me.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby sinfiery » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:34 pm

I think the timing of the WL is kind of a silly thing to be concerned with. Schools work on different timelines and SLS is notorious for being slow.


I am pretty shocked that UCB increased their class size though but they weren't one of the egregious offenders of having too large to handle class size. I bet it was just a slightly larger yield than expected for them this year.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby NYstate » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:40 pm

sinfiery wrote:I think the timing of the WL is kind of a silly thing to be concerned with. Schools work on different timelines and SLS is notorious for being slow.


I am pretty shocked that UCB increased their class size though but they weren't one of the egregious offenders of having too large to handle class size. I bet it was just a slightly larger yield than expected for them this year.


Yeah, the noise of the Stanford wait list admits has been magnified by these recent posts asking for advice. I don't remember them admitting people this late but I haven't really paid attention.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby bouleversement » Tue Aug 20, 2013 4:54 pm

Is it the general consensus that HYS will be able to maintain 25th/50th/75th LSAT percentiles?

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Tue Aug 20, 2013 5:03 pm

bouleversement wrote:Is it the general consensus that HYS will be able to maintain 25th/50th/75th LSAT percentiles?


Harvard is always bound, to some extent, by what the other two do, so they're in less control of their numbers, but they're still probably doing fine. Yale and Stanford could both easily raise their LSAT medians by two points if they felt like it, so it doesn't really matter for them.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby crestor » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:35 pm

When do you guys think UF/ Hastings/Davis/FSU would release this data?

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby gottago » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:38 pm

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby t-14orbust » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:39 pm

gottago wrote:
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
bouleversement wrote:Is it the general consensus that HYS will be able to maintain 25th/50th/75th LSAT percentiles?


Harvard is always bound, to some extent, by what the other two do, so they're in less control of their numbers, but they're still probably doing fine. Yale and Stanford could both easily raise their LSAT medians by two points if they felt like it, so it doesn't really matter for them.


do you see harvard's gpa going up?


lol no

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby MyNameIsFlynn! » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:46 pm

gottago wrote:
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
bouleversement wrote:Is it the general consensus that HYS will be able to maintain 25th/50th/75th LSAT percentiles?


Harvard is always bound, to some extent, by what the other two do, so they're in less control of their numbers, but they're still probably doing fine. Yale and Stanford could both easily raise their LSAT medians by two points if they felt like it, so it doesn't really matter for them.


do you see harvard's gpa going up?


Yes. GPA up, LSAT down, although I suspect H's (unreleased) median in 2012 was actually a 172. Think it will stay at 172 for the c/o 2016.

The number of high scoring test takers (170+) fell off a cliff this year. For a school like H with a class size of 550 and a numbers-driven approach, I suspect they had to compensate by taking more 169s/170s with very high GPAs. 3.9Xs are a dime a dozen; 172+ are not.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby MyNameIsFlynn! » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:49 pm

Also, OP or a mod should rename this thread so peeps can actually find it

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby t-14orbust » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:52 pm

MyNameIsFlynn! wrote:
gottago wrote:
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:
bouleversement wrote:Is it the general consensus that HYS will be able to maintain 25th/50th/75th LSAT percentiles?


Harvard is always bound, to some extent, by what the other two do, so they're in less control of their numbers, but they're still probably doing fine. Yale and Stanford could both easily raise their LSAT medians by two points if they felt like it, so it doesn't really matter for them.


do you see harvard's gpa going up?


Yes. GPA up, LSAT down, although I suspect H's (unreleased) median in 2012 was actually a 172. Think it will stay at 172 for the c/o 2016.

The number of high scoring test takers (170+) fell off a cliff this year. For a school like H with a class size of 550 and a numbers-driven approach, I suspect they had to compensate by taking more 169s/170s with very high GPAs. 3.9Xs are a dime a dozen; 172+ are not.


http://www.usnews.com/education/best-graduate-schools/the-short-list-grad-school/articles/2013/06/04/law-schools-with-the-highest-median-lsat

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby MyNameIsFlynn! » Tue Aug 20, 2013 9:58 pm

Ah, thanks for the link. I was confused because they only list 25/75 on their website

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby bouleversement » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:47 am

MyNameIsFlynn! wrote:Also, OP or a mod should rename this thread so peeps can actually find it


Done. I aimed for a general title to allow someone like KevinP to post a more data-heavy "C/O 2016 Medians and Class Sizes" OP after last year's precedent.

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby bouleversement » Wed Aug 21, 2013 12:48 am

Yes, that would be pretty amazing if Harvard dropped to 172.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby Lavitz » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:18 am

Harvard isn't dropping to 172. We saw Harvard lower its GPA floor this cycle to get enough people with 173+.

You heard it here first. :wink:

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Re: Isn't It Time?

Postby Ti Malice » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:29 am

NYstate wrote:
sinfiery wrote:I think the timing of the WL is kind of a silly thing to be concerned with. Schools work on different timelines and SLS is notorious for being slow.


I am pretty shocked that UCB increased their class size though but they weren't one of the egregious offenders of having too large to handle class size. I bet it was just a slightly larger yield than expected for them this year.


Yeah, the noise of the Stanford wait list admits has been magnified by these recent posts asking for advice. I don't remember them admitting people this late but I haven't really paid attention.


I think this is part of it. I know two people (IRL) who got WL calls from SLS in late July and early August of last year, so it's not exactly unheard of.

Lavitz wrote:Harvard isn't dropping to 172. We saw Harvard lower its GPA floor this cycle to get enough people with 173+.

You heard it here first. :wink:


Exactly. Harvard wasn't Hoovering up 3.6x/175+ applicants for nothing. They'll hold their 173.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby bouleversement » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:48 am

Ti Malice wrote:Exactly. Harvard wasn't Hoovering up 3.6x/175+ applicants for nothing. They'll hold their 173.


If only there were an infinite supply of 173+ applicants...

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby Ti Malice » Wed Aug 21, 2013 1:54 am

bouleversement wrote:
Ti Malice wrote:Exactly. Harvard wasn't Hoovering up 3.6x/175+ applicants for nothing. They'll hold their 173.


If only there were an infinite supply of 173+ applicants...


They might well run out someday, but letting their once pretty firm 3.7 GPA floor for non-URMs drop to a less firm 3.6 -- with only rejecting outright a small portion of their 3.55-3.59/175+ applicants -- is right in line with what you'd expect them to need to do to maintain their 173.




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