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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby 20141023 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 1:18 am

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby bouleversement » Thu Aug 22, 2013 12:33 pm

Lewis and Clark has released. Median LSAT has fallen (3) points since c/o 2014 despite reducing class size over 20% (49). 25th LSAT off (2) points this year along with the median, 25th GPA off (.06). 75th LSAT off (1), 75th GPA off (.02).

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby NoodleyOne » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:15 pm

I'll say this... it's amazing how little this shit matters to you once you're here.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby 04102014 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 6:23 pm

NoodleyOne wrote:I'll say this... it's amazing how little this shit matters to you once you're here.


Noodley, where did you end up? UVA?

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby NoodleyOne » Thu Aug 22, 2013 8:56 pm

ohpobrecito wrote:
NoodleyOne wrote:I'll say this... it's amazing how little this shit matters to you once you're here.


Noodley, where did you end up? UVA?

Cooley. I mean, I KNOW our library is awesome, but I just don't care how it relates to other libraries, ya know?

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby 20141023 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:40 pm

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby NoodleyOne » Thu Aug 22, 2013 10:44 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:
NoodleyOne wrote:
ohpobrecito wrote:
NoodleyOne wrote:I'll say this... it's amazing how little this shit matters to you once you're here.

Noodley, where did you end up? UVA?

Cooley. I mean, I KNOW our library is awesome, but I just don't care how it relates to other libraries, ya know?

Library Square Footage
Cooley: 100,763
UVA: 86,914

Library Seating Capacity
Cooley: 1,058
UVA: 789

You say that, but it's pretty obvious that you picked the right school. I feel bad for all those kids at TTT UVA who will spend precious study time searching for seats or feeling claustrophobic while you're comfortably becoming a legal guru at the 2nd best law school in the nation.

Crisis averted! I almost made a huge mistake!

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby jdb2013 » Thu Aug 22, 2013 11:57 pm

BigZuck wrote:
t-14orbust wrote:I'm still wondering about the class size drop though. If they 'accepted' the 169 median, does a smaller class size imply that they barely even held on to the 169?


I was one of the last people they let in off the waitlist (I believe I was the last one to report so on this site) and they offered me 60K with a 169/3.75. I assumed they were barely keeping the 169 considering that. But as other people said, looks like they could have easily had higher LSAT scores so I guess not.


i was just released from uva with a 175 - so they definitely did have higher LSATs on the table. They clearly made a conscious decision to a) spend less money b) not let their gpa sink

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby bouleversement » Fri Aug 23, 2013 11:01 am

jdb2013 wrote:
BigZuck wrote:
t-14orbust wrote:I'm still wondering about the class size drop though. If they 'accepted' the 169 median, does a smaller class size imply that they barely even held on to the 169?


I was one of the last people they let in off the waitlist (I believe I was the last one to report so on this site) and they offered me 60K with a 169/3.75. I assumed they were barely keeping the 169 considering that. But as other people said, looks like they could have easily had higher LSAT scores so I guess not.


i was just released from uva with a 175 - so they definitely did have higher LSATs on the table. They clearly made a conscious decision to a) spend less money b) not let their gpa sink


How far below their 25th GPA are you?

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby t-14orbust » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:30 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:You say that, but it's pretty obvious that you picked the right school. I feel bad for all those kids at TTT UVA who will spend precious study time searching for seats or feeling claustrophobic while you're comfortably becoming a legal guru at the 2nd best law school in the nation.


I love that they ranked themselves 2nd. They must have recognized that 1st place would be ridiculous :roll:

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby shifty_eyed » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:41 pm

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I'm jealous.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby Cobretti » Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:53 pm

NoodleyOne wrote:I'll say this... it's amazing how little this shit matters to you once you're here.

+1, its like a switch just flips off

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby jingosaur » Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:36 pm

Yeah, I'm sure I won't care after this admissions cycle but for now, OMG OMG T14s ARE GOING TO BE GIVING 60K FOR 167s FROM NOW ON!!!!!!!!

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby Huskies13! » Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:59 pm

No news on UFla class size--but median is 160, GPA 3.55 (both down).
USC class size is down to 176
UC Davis down to 143
American says 480 (including part-time)
Sand Diego says 245
Tenn is way up--to 158
and Pitt is down to 175.

No news on full profiles for those--just looking at "welcome letters" from deans posted on web.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby AT9 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:51 pm

Huskies13! wrote:No news on UFla class size--but median is 160, GPA 3.55 (both down).
USC class size is down to 176
UC Davis down to 143
American says 480 (including part-time)
Sand Diego says 245
Tenn is way up--to 158
and Pitt is down to 175.

No news on full profiles for those--just looking at "welcome letters" from deans posted on web.


UF is down to 160 and 3.55? Nice.

Weren't they reducing class sizes too?

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby zman » Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:57 pm

Huskies13! wrote:No news on UFla class size--but median is 160, GPA 3.55 (both down).
USC class size is down to 176
UC Davis down to 143
American says 480 (including part-time)
Sand Diego says 245
Tenn is way up--to 158
and Pitt is down to 175.

No news on full profiles for those--just looking at "welcome letters" from deans posted on web.


That's a pretty big drop for Davis.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby NYC2012 » Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:12 pm

Desert Fox wrote:Boalt has had TTT admissions numbers for a long time, and its not a TTT in decline.

Sixigan's decline is entirely internet trolling.


Come on, this is a little ridiculous. High 160s + high GPAs are not TTT.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby sinfiery » Sat Aug 24, 2013 4:29 pm

Cobretti wrote:
NoodleyOne wrote:I'll say this... it's amazing how little this shit matters to you once you're here.

+1, its like a switch just flips off

all the "lol @ 0Ls" comments finally make so much sense

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby 09042014 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 6:09 pm

sinfiery wrote:
Cobretti wrote:
NoodleyOne wrote:I'll say this... it's amazing how little this shit matters to you once you're here.

+1, its like a switch just flips off

all the "lol @ 0Ls" comments finally make so much sense


There is a reason the admissions subforum is mostly 0L's guiding 0L's.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby bouleversement » Sat Aug 24, 2013 9:26 pm

sinfiery wrote:
Cobretti wrote:
NoodleyOne wrote:I'll say this... it's amazing how little this shit matters to you once you're here.

+1, its like a switch just flips off

all the "lol @ 0Ls" comments finally make so much sense


Is it more than the fact people don't want to be reminded they aren't going to the school ranked just ahead of them? If so, elaborate.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby NoodleyOne » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:05 pm

bouleversement wrote:
sinfiery wrote:
Cobretti wrote:
NoodleyOne wrote:I'll say this... it's amazing how little this shit matters to you once you're here.

+1, its like a switch just flips off

all the "lol @ 0Ls" comments finally make so much sense


Is it more than the fact people don't want to be reminded they aren't going to the school ranked just ahead of them? If so, elaborate.

No... you really just don't care anymore. It's not like me or sinfiery are going to shitty schools or anything. It's probably just you have much more important shit to worry about.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby Cicero76 » Sat Aug 24, 2013 11:14 pm

AT9 wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:No news on UFla class size--but median is 160, GPA 3.55 (both down).
USC class size is down to 176
UC Davis down to 143
American says 480 (including part-time)
Sand Diego says 245
Tenn is way up--to 158
and Pitt is down to 175.

No news on full profiles for those--just looking at "welcome letters" from deans posted on web.


UF is down to 160 and 3.55? Nice.

Weren't they reducing class sizes too?


UF Law is run in such a TTTT manner it makes me genuinely angry. There is no reason that the best university in the state shouldn't have a top 25 law school like California, New York, or even freaking Alabama do. Unfortunately, UF is run by morons with no idea of how to buy decent scores or increase the quality of students and faculty to make a better school. They don't even advertise or offer fee waivers.

They deserve the asskicking that FSU law is going to give them in the next few years. And this is coming from someone who hates FSU.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby AT9 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:18 am

Cicero76 wrote:
AT9 wrote:
Huskies13! wrote:No news on UFla class size--but median is 160, GPA 3.55 (both down).
USC class size is down to 176
UC Davis down to 143
American says 480 (including part-time)
Sand Diego says 245
Tenn is way up--to 158
and Pitt is down to 175.

No news on full profiles for those--just looking at "welcome letters" from deans posted on web.


UF is down to 160 and 3.55? Nice.

Weren't they reducing class sizes too?


UF Law is run in such a TTTT manner it makes me genuinely angry. There is no reason that the best university in the state shouldn't have a top 25 law school like California, New York, or even freaking Alabama do. Unfortunately, UF is run by morons with no idea of how to buy decent scores or increase the quality of students and faculty to make a better school. They don't even advertise or offer fee waivers.

They deserve the asskicking that FSU law is going to give them in the next few years. And this is coming from someone who hates FSU.


This is especially true considering Florida is the fourth largest state in the country. Just off the top of my head, here are how the top 5 compare:

CA: Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, USC
TX: UT, SMU, U of Houston
NY: Columbia, NYU, Cornell
FL: UF, FSU
IL: UChicago, Northwestern, Illinois

I've always thought UF would be my number 1 backup option as an in-state, but FSU Law seems to be the better option more and more. Wouldn't surprise me if FSU's median dropped below 160, though.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby Monochromatic Oeuvre » Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:59 am

AT9 wrote:
Cicero76 wrote:
UF Law is run in such a TTTT manner it makes me genuinely angry. There is no reason that the best university in the state shouldn't have a top 25 law school like California, New York, or even freaking Alabama do. Unfortunately, UF is run by morons with no idea of how to buy decent scores or increase the quality of students and faculty to make a better school. They don't even advertise or offer fee waivers.

They deserve the asskicking that FSU law is going to give them in the next few years. And this is coming from someone who hates FSU.


This is especially true considering Florida is the fourth largest state in the country. Just off the top of my head, here are how the top 5 compare:

CA: Stanford, Berkeley, UCLA, USC
TX: UT, SMU, U of Houston
NY: Columbia, NYU, Cornell
FL: UF, FSU
IL: UChicago, Northwestern, Illinois

I've always thought UF would be my number 1 backup option as an in-state, but FSU Law seems to be the better option more and more. Wouldn't surprise me if FSU's median dropped below 160, though.


A few points to consider:

1. The T14 are such because their reputation has developed over an extended period of time. All the institutions developed strong academic reputations by being important in the region they were located in. Had Los Angeles developed as an economic powerhouse fifty years prior to San Francisco, instead of the other way around, it's likely that UCLA would have taken the mantle of California public powerhouse law school over Berkeley. In relative terms, Florida has been a "large state" for a comparatively small amount of time. As of 1950, Florida ranked only 20th in population, behind states like Kentucky and Alabama. A top group of schools was essentially crystallizing at that point, and the "top 14" notion was in play by at least the 1960s. So Florida's current large population is no wonder to its lack of prestigious schools, given that prestige correlates better with populous regions when it lags by decades.

2. For whatever the economic purposes, the structure of the South Florida economy doesn't support as much legal work as similarly sized markets like Atlanta and Seattle do. Outside of the strong regionals, non-T14 employment states don't correlate with USNWR rank but whether or not the school is located in a robust market. Any school that isn't a second fiddle in a big market is getting killed right now. How many Biglaw jobs is the state of Florida creating per year? 100, if that? There's just not the kind of market that supports attracting students and maintaining at least the aura of professional success that is essentially to creating or maintaining a good reputation. Michigan already has so many built in advantages from their reputation and even they will struggle with the lack of a "home market" to send graduates to.

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Re: C/O 2016 Class Profiles

Postby Cobretti » Sun Aug 25, 2013 11:10 am

NoodleyOne wrote:
bouleversement wrote:
sinfiery wrote:
Cobretti wrote:+1, its like a switch just flips off

all the "lol @ 0Ls" comments finally make so much sense


Is it more than the fact people don't want to be reminded they aren't going to the school ranked just ahead of them? If so, elaborate.

No... you really just don't care anymore. It's not like me or sinfiery are going to shitty schools or anything. It's probably just you have much more important shit to worry about.

egregious NU trolling




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