untar614 wrote:Plus, I'd say the clerkship numbers aren't large enough to play a significant factor, unless one school had a particularly high % of SCOTUS clerks (which I doubt, though if anyone can find an easy-to-read source of the raw data, I'd be interested), since the yare all within 5% points of each other. If anything, I've heard lots of CLS students self-select out of clerkships as many of the target firms are largely transactional, for which clerkships confer less benefit, though that may be pretty speculative as well. Either way, it shouldn't matter as biglaw and federal clerkships are grouped together for "quality jobs" purposes (I believe, please correct me if I'm wrong). So I can understand Penn's higher ranking since firm prestige is discounted, and they did better on raw biglaw+clerkship numbers. But CLS was 8-10% higher in that metric than UVA and Duke, so it can only be due to 2 things:
1) The % active judges and scotus clerks number. I'm fairly certain these are such a big part of the rankings solely to ensure Yale would be #1 and Harvard and Stanford right behind. For everyone else, simply having 1 scotus clerk, vs others having 0, could throw things off, since they make up a decent chunk of potential points. I'm not sure how the judges numbers are computed, but wouldn't be surprised if there were similar issues.
2) The cost. Yes, we know it costs more to live in NYC than college towns. The reasons as to why this inclusion is really stupid have been detailed many times before, though I can repeat it if necessary.
..but back to the OP, depending on what score he comes back with, opting to either ED Penn or UVA may be the best bet for a starting move, so OP, I'd recommend you think about which one you'd prefer of the 2, given their markets, and if you'd be willing to sign on for sticker to go to one of them rather than wait out other options (though significant money at another T14 probably isn't too likely). Have we brought up Duke in this discussion? Do they just offer little-to-no benefit to ED'ing?
eta: and I'm not even touching this "near guarantee" argument as it seems silly and pointless. the numbers are what they are. assigning some generic label to percentages when we have the raw numbers accomplishes nothing.
I was thinking that if my score does not improve I would ED to Penn for their round 1 while submitting RD apps to the rest of the t14, then switching my RD to ED for UVA if Penn falls through. However,
I really like the idea of getting to know if I'm in within 15 days, and from the looks of it online, UVA places more in the firms I'm interested in than Penn does. Also, UVA places in DC more than Penn does and DC is a close second place location for me.
^ Should that matter to me?
I never really had the college life atmosphere, so the lifestyle of UVA is tempting to me, however Penn's big law stats are very appealing. Yet UVA's 50% big law is comforting as long as I'm above median I should have a shot at Miami big law, while getting about the top 1/3 leaves me pretty comfortable in any location I would want to work in.
I wouldn't mind taking on the debt, so either one at sticker is OK with me.
What it comes down to is where would i rather be? I don't know. I like the water/the beach/ the warm sun, and i like the fact that UVA has attractive students (from what i hear) and they all party a lot and dont take school to seriously (on the outside that is). IDK much about Penn except that it is a wealthy northeastern school, that is surrounded by a bunch of other schools -- and that ivy prestige.
Any insight into these dilemas would be great.