Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

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Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby WanderingPondering » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:15 am

Chose WUSTL with a full ride over bc with 19k/year. Ties to the east coast, not much in the midwest.

3.0/166, mediocre I know.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby romothesavior » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:17 am

Between those two options? No. I'd much rather graduate debt free or close to it from WUSTL than spend that kind of money on BC.

But do you have any retakes left? That may be your best option.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby dstars823 » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:17 am

did you try negotiating?

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby Big Dog » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:19 am

If you want to work in Boston, then BC/BU is the better choice

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby MarkinKansasCity » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:24 am

I'd try this:

Dear BC,
While I would love to attend your school, WUSTL's badass full ride offer is too good to pass up. BC is actually a better fit for my goals, but I cannot justify the additional 75k (or so) in additional debt, given the state of the legal job market. That being said, I would would definitely attend if BC were able to match WUSTL's offer, and I would factor any additional aid into my decision if my offer was increased. Please let me know if this is a possibility. Thank you for your consideration in this matter. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Greedy/debt averse 0L

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby Presidentjlh » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:29 am

You should try negotiating. As a fellow future WUSTLer who got that same sweet deal, I may be biased, but WUSTL for free (tuition wise) certainly isn't a bad move, but if your goal is Bahstahn, you should negotiate. I'd be surprised if they didn't up your scholly at least a little bit.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby Cobretti » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:29 am

MarkinKansasCity wrote:I'd try this:

Dear BC,
While I would love to attend your school, WUSTL's badass full ride offer is too good to pass up. BC is actually a better fit for my goals, and it would let me avoid being classmates with MarkinKansasCity,but I cannot justify the additional 75k (or so) in additional debt, given the state of the legal job market. That being said, I would would definitely attend if BC were able to match WUSTL's offer, and I would factor any additional aid into my decision if my offer was increased. Please let me know if this is a possibility. Thank you for your consideration in this matter. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Greedy/debt averse 0L
FTFY 8)

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby MarkinKansasCity » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:30 am

Cobretti wrote:
MarkinKansasCity wrote:I'd try this:

Dear BC,
While I would love to attend your school, WUSTL's badass full ride offer is too good to pass up. BC is actually a better fit for my goals, and it would let me avoid being classmates with MarkinKansasCity,but I cannot justify the additional 75k (or so) in additional debt, given the state of the legal job market. That being said, I would would definitely attend if BC were able to match WUSTL's offer, and I would factor any additional aid into my decision if my offer was increased. Please let me know if this is a possibility. Thank you for your consideration in this matter. I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Greedy/debt averse 0L
FTFY 8)


:lol: :lol:

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby BigZuck » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:40 am

I would definitely try to negotiate with that WUSTL offer, I know of at least three people who were able to get some more money out of the school they had deposited at with the WUSTL fully.

The GPA is the limiting factor more than anything, free WUSTL doesn't sound horrible for the OP.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby Presidentjlh » Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:44 am

ajax adonis wrote:No, you didn't make a huge mistake. WUSTL is a great school too. Full ride ain't bad as long as the stips aren't extortionate.

All WUSTL schollys are guaranteed throughout all 3 years. No stips.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby jbagelboy » Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:49 pm

No other peer schools will be able to match WUSTL's full rides this cycle. the conversation should be about how much $ from BC would make it the right call given OP's employment goals/preferences.

Can you live at home if you go to a boston school? If so, $25K/year from BC + 0 CoL wins. If you'll have to rent in law school either way, then you'll need $35K/year at least to make BC worth it. If you can't up it to that, then just massage the shit out of those east coast ties, and worst case scenario, you aren't much in the whole with a T20 JD.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby Informative » Thu Jun 20, 2013 3:00 pm

WUSTL is fine if you are comfortable working in Kansas or possibly other nearby mid-western markets. You'll have to do well to get a job out-of-market, but it is possible. If you have your heart set on a big Vault firm, then you should go to a school that places better in Vault firms, one of which is BC. However, there are plenty of firms that many would consider biglaw that are not Vault firms and that are located in midwestern markets.

If you don't care about the big coastal firms, WUSTL is a great school and you'll enjoy not having the debt.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby romothesavior » Thu Jun 20, 2013 4:30 pm

WUSTL is far from a national powerhouse, and obviously it places stronger in STL/KC/etc. than other markets, but the idea that its strictly or even mostly regional is a bit overstated. Look at LST. Graduates go all over the place.

That said, if OP is set on the east coast or Boston in particular, then he should retake for a much better school. But with that GPA, it will be hard to beat a full ride at WUSTL. Thats 's probably the best financial package he will get anywhere, and its highly unlikely to happen again next year with those numbers. Usually retaking is low risk because the same offers will be there the next year even without an increase, but maybe not in this case. If OP can crack 170 and is cool with big debt at a T14, then retake is a good call. But its unlikely BU/BC will be able to come close to that kind of financial package.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby hoos89 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:04 pm

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby Big Dog » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:16 pm

I'm not sure about placement in Boston, but I doubt it is amazing, though. I'm sure BC would place better, but is it 70-100k better? Probably not.


Depends on your value of the dollar. But the practical story is that WashU sent <6 grads to all of New England last year. In contrast, 10 times that amount (60%) of BC's grads stayed in New England, with over half the class remaining in Mass.

Self-selection, surely. But that is the point. To me, the BC network is worth the $ delta.
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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby timbs4339 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 7:27 pm

romothesavior wrote:WUSTL is far from a national powerhouse, and obviously it places stronger in STL/KC/etc. than other markets, but the idea that its strictly or even mostly regional is a bit overstated. Look at LST. Graduates go all over the place.

That said, if OP is set on the east coast or Boston in particular, then he should retake for a much better school. But with that GPA, it will be hard to beat a full ride at WUSTL. Thats 's probably the best financial package he will get anywhere, and its highly unlikely to happen again next year with those numbers. Usually retaking is low risk because the same offers will be there the next year even without an increase, but maybe not in this case. If OP can crack 170 and is cool with big debt at a T14, then retake is a good call. But its unlikely BU/BC will be able to come close to that kind of financial package.


+1. OP's certainly not out of the running to get a legal job on the east coast from WUSTL. Biglaw is about the same from both schools and much lower than 50%, and its going to extremely difficult to pay off $150K of student loan debt on a 60K salary in Boston.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby shifty_eyed » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:30 pm

hoos89 wrote:Nonetheless: full ride from WUSTL with those numbers is crazy.

Not crazy at all considering WUSTL gave everyone with a 166+ a full ride this year, it seems. Hard to say if the gravy train will continue next cycle. With a low GPA, he may get sticker at NU with a retake or maybe 45K, but that's about it. WUSTL seems like a good choice.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby WanderingPondering » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:52 pm

OP here, and thanks for all the replies. I was really regretting not retaking, as I was PTing in the 169-171 range, but I'm honestly not sure I'd choose NU at sticker over WUSTL fo free. And who knows if this type of money will be available next cycle. I'd be thrilled to get a job in any "real city" whether it be Chicago, St Louis, DC, NYC, Boston, Atlanta, etc. I know biglaw isnt very likely, but luckily I won't be financially ruined if I don't get it.

Sort of bummed about not getting to be in Boston, had a little emotional attachment to it. But my only connections there are relatives living, and not anything too major.

Again, thanks ya'll.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby gatorfan163287 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:10 pm

WUSTL for full tuition seems like the clear winner between these 2 choices if retake if off the table.

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

Postby untar614 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:24 pm

Is WUSTL Law gonna go bankrupt his year? Seems like they've handed out so many full rides.

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Postby untar614 » Tue Jun 25, 2013 10:24 pm

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Re: Did I make a huge mistake? WUSTL vs BC

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