Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote: I'm certainly upper-middle class, but not rich. I was told that my family would pay for undergrad (which could have been up to $200k), and afterwards they would "try" to help as much as they could, but no promises.
Yea I faced this same debate at some point TLS. I feel you, but at the same time, "upper middle class" = rich for many people on this site. I get the sense that most of the people who come on to Choosing a LS come from less affluent backgrounds, because wealthy people don't concern themselves with "scholarships", the "handouts of the masses", and just go to the highest ranked law school. We may be rarer cases of the 'upper middle class' active tls'er -- I go on TLS since I'm cooped up in my office at work from 8 to past 6 and bored to shit, and you are evidently intelligent/precocious but somewhat obsessive and not fully socialized -- but most of my wealthy friends are plastered in Ibiza, finding themselves in Nepal or driving around newport coast in their carreras hitting WeHo every night. I only get to play after 6:30PMish. Fuck work life.
For me, upper-middle class is distinct from rich in that UMC typically meant my family had financial security, but not luxury. My family was never broke, but at the same time there were no mansions, Porsches, fancy paintings or five-star restaurants. My family has never had anything you could point to and say "the average American couldn't dream of having that."
And I'm on TLS partially because I'm obsessive, and partially because I'm not as diligent in my work as I should be.
Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote: I'm very lucky to live in a state with excellent public schools, and I wound up graduating in five semesters,
Ah. this explains a lot. You should have stayed longer in school bro! college is awesome. Maybe you'd have had more time for repose and enjoying yourself. I wouldn't have given up my junior and senior yr of college for anything... I feel very sorry for you. Also, you must be like 20?
I had my share of crazy times in undergrad. Really, the main thing is that if I'd stayed longer, I might've had a higher GPA--I had a 3.7 the only semester my schedule wasn't packed. Ah well, I got into a school that places top-five in my desired market and I had the option of NYU w/$ if I decided to gun for NYC, so I can't complain. And yeah, I'm young enough so that I'm not allowed to move into my apartment until August. I think my babyface is going to be a good thing somewhere in life, but it sure as hell won't be at OCI.
timbs4339 wrote: TBF, plenty of middle-class parents will refinance their homes, cosign private loans they can't help pay back, or dip into their retirement savings to finance a kid's education. With all the boomer-bashing on this site people forget that boomers often make terrible decisions because they honestly believe education is the answer to life's prayers.
In those situations the onus is on the applicant to firmly deny parental assistance when they know the parents are sacrificing retirement income or a safety net.
Absolutely--I feel really, really lucky to have picked a cheap public undergrad instead of a (lower) Ivy, since it turned out not to matter at all come law school admissions time (although I didn't know that when I picked a UG). It just sucks for a lot of people to have unnecessarily spent $200k to "go to a good college" and realize it was a total waste four years later. I didn't even have to bite the bullet, but I'm still pissed at the mainstream media, guidance counselors, Boomers I trusted, and even my parents (who said not to worry about the cost and to "go wherever I'd be happy", despite the fact that cost wound up making a huge difference) for leading to me to ALMOST make a terrible life choice at 17. Note to self: Never trust anybody ever.
Parents often know even less than the applicants do about the process and most of them are still stuck in the "everyone who goes to law school makes a bunch of money" mode that it doesn't even occur to them that there's such as thing as due diligence in the process. I think sadder than the kids who take on sticker debt because TTTs lied to them are the parents who blew their retirement money trying to do right by their kids and got hoodwinked, leaving them with next to nothing for retirement.
jbagelboy wrote: and then there are parents like mine, who maybe could afford to help with law school, but won't because they don't feel like its their responsibility, and i'm not about to ask them for it.
This happens more than it's given credit for, and these applicants are the most screwed--no help, but no hope of need aid because their financials say the parents COULD be paying for it.