UCB vs T70 full tuition

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UCB sticker vs T70 zero tuition

UCB with 200K in debt
27
77%
T70 with 0 debt
8
23%
 
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UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby adad » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:34 am

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby Nova » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:45 am

T70? Circumstances? Are you from CA?

Big differences between Loyola and Oklahoma.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby Nova » Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:45 am

TLS wrote:[Please include]
-The schools you are considering
-Where you are from and where you want to work, and other places where you have significant ties (if any)
-Your general career goals
-Your LSAT/GPA numbers
-How many times you have taken the LSAT

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=206299

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby sinfiery » Fri Jun 07, 2013 10:24 am

Where do you want to work? UCB at sticker costs approx 280k, not 200k. What are your goals in the legal field? Your LSAT/GPA?

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby adad » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:11 am

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:12 am

I have no idea why there are 6 votes already, there is absolutely no way one could advise the OP one way or the other based on what little information they gave.

Based on the T70 thing I'm guessing the OP has no idea what they are getting into. That is usually a bad sign.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:13 am

Nova wrote:
TLS wrote:[Please include]
-The schools you are considering
-Where you are from and where you want to work, and other places where you have significant ties (if any)
-Your general career goals
-Your LSAT/GPA numbers
-How many times you have taken the LSAT

http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 1&t=206299


OP, you still need to do this. Stop acting so squirrelly.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby sinfiery » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:13 am

adad wrote:Thank you for all input,
The numbers 200K in debt vs. 0 debt are adjusted with all the resources I have
My LSAT is 162 but graduated summa cum laude from a top private
I am single and don't mind working anywhere...

You should retake the LSAT!

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:14 am

sinfiery wrote:
adad wrote:Thank you for all input,
The numbers 200K in debt vs. 0 debt are adjusted with all the resources I have
My LSAT is 162 but graduated summa cum laude from a top private
I am single and don't mind working anywhere...

You should retake the LSAT!


In b4 "Not gunna!"

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby adad » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:19 am

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby francesfarmer » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:22 am

adad wrote:
sinfiery wrote:
adad wrote:Thank you for all input,
The numbers 200K in debt vs. 0 debt are adjusted with all the resources I have
My LSAT is 162 but graduated summa cum laude from a top private
I am single and don't mind working anywhere...

You should retake the LSAT!


I know I am going to get this answer. Thanks. But no, staying home a year costs me a year of my life!

You are seriously screwing yourself. If you got a 170 on the LSAT you would have full rides to multiple T-14s. Your approach is EXTREMELY short-sighted. How old are you?! Jesus christ.

You need to keep in mind that going to a "T70" will probably mean that you never get to be a lawyer, not that you get a shitty job as a lawyer. And going to Cal for $200k will make you a debt slave. Retaking is the most intelligent option. One year in the grand scheme of things is nothing.

For example: in 2009-2010 my best option was the Georgetown waitlist. I waited several years, retook the LSAT, and now I'm going to CLS. Is this getting through to you?
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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby NanaP » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:24 am

adad wrote:
sinfiery wrote:
adad wrote:Thank you for all input,
The numbers 200K in debt vs. 0 debt are adjusted with all the resources I have
My LSAT is 162 but graduated summa cum laude from a top private
I am single and don't mind working anywhere...

You should retake the LSAT!


I know I am going to get this answer. Thanks. But no, staying home a year costs me a year of my life!



But a year of your life vs a lifetime of debt? I'd take a year off and retake, unless you're a much older candidate, but even then I wouldn't take on $200K debt. How old are you?

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:37 am

NanaP wrote:
adad wrote:
sinfiery wrote:
adad wrote:Thank you for all input,
The numbers 200K in debt vs. 0 debt are adjusted with all the resources I have
My LSAT is 162 but graduated summa cum laude from a top private
I am single and don't mind working anywhere...

You should retake the LSAT!


I know I am going to get this answer. Thanks. But no, staying home a year costs me a year of my life!



But a year of your life vs a lifetime of debt? I'd take a year off and retake, unless you're a much older candidate, but even then I wouldn't take on $200K debt. How old are you?


In b4 21

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby bruin91 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:41 am

Not trying to troll, I promise. But if OP has a 162 and got into UC Berkeley off the waitlist, how effective will the retake option be? Applicants with 4.0 167 were rejected outright from Berkeley. Unless OP gets a 167 or so, substantial money at a peer school is unlikely, and the $ from getting an extra year's worth of salary will be more unless OP gets a 170, and has a shot at HYS.

90% of the sub-165 3.8+ GPA threads, I agree on the retake, but this isn't a slam dunk for retake in my mind. I think it depends on how much preparation OP put into the LSAT and where he/she was practicing.

*I'm expecting a full force reaction to this post*

This is my sincere guesswork. I'm happy to hear rebuttals.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:45 am

bruin91 wrote:Not trying to troll, I promise. But if OP has a 162 and got into UC Berkeley off the waitlist, how effective will the retake option be? Applicants with 4.0 167 were rejected outright from Berkeley. Unless OP gets a 167 or so, substantial money at a peer school is unlikely, and the $ from getting an extra year's worth of salary will be more unless OP gets a 170, and has a shot at HYS.

90% of the sub-165 3.8+ GPA threads, I agree on the retake, but this isn't a slam dunk for retake in my mind. I think it depends on how much preparation OP put into the LSAT and where he/she was practicing.

*I'm expecting a full force reaction to this post*

This is my sincere guesswork. I'm happy to hear rebuttals.


OP getting into Berkeley with a 162 most likely means they have a shot at HYS with a 170+

OP 100% HAS to retake. BigZuck says so.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby sinfiery » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:47 am

You should retake. Being young and unburdened by any major commitments such as law school debt will allow you to do almost anything. It can very likely be one of the most exciting years of your life plus the upside of a few full rides in the t14 with that GPA or HYS.


If you don't know what you want to do, I'd go to berk. 200k isn't a terrible COA at all. But you should absolutely retake unless you studied for 3+ months and hit the high end of your pt range.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby Tekrul » Fri Jun 07, 2013 11:57 am

Summa cum laude, 162?

Truthfully OP how long did you study for the LSAT and what did you do to study? How many PTs did you take and what was your diagnostic?

If you didn't give that test 110% in studying and you don't retake, you will be selling yourself extremely short. You'd be looking at significant scholarships up and down the t-14 + in at H.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby muskies970 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:03 pm

NanaP wrote:
adad wrote:
sinfiery wrote:
adad wrote:Thank you for all input,
The numbers 200K in debt vs. 0 debt are adjusted with all the resources I have
My LSAT is 162 but graduated summa cum laude from a top private
I am single and don't mind working anywhere...

You should retake the LSAT!


I know I am going to get this answer. Thanks. But no, staying home a year costs me a year of my life!



But a year of your life vs a lifetime of debt? I'd take a year off and retake, unless you're a much older candidate, but even then I wouldn't take on $200K debt. How old are you?


Just STOP it with this hyperbolic bull shit. 200k is not a lifetime of debt at all. It's been shown in previous threads it's very possible to pay off with a biglaw or other job.

OP if you're comfortable with the debt and can handle biglaw for a few years to pay it off go to Berkeley, or research into other LRAP programs. Don't squander your chance for a T14 degree by going to a TT, ten years out you'll be kicking yourself in the face.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby Big Dog » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:05 pm

I have no idea why there are 6 votes already, there is absolutely no way one could advise the OP one way or the other


Sure I can. IMO, there is absolutely no way anyone should waste three years of their life at a T70, unless that T70 was paying them big bucks to attend.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby muskies970 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:06 pm

After taxes and living expenses a biglaw job of 160k leaves one with ~40-60k to put towards loans. Therefore unless once is getting 20k in scholarship a year offering a more in scholarship and values a year of their life that way it may not be the best option. Stanford is always a risky option no matter what your options and there's always the chance OP might not improve to those numbers.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:16 pm

Big Dog wrote:
I have no idea why there are 6 votes already, there is absolutely no way one could advise the OP one way or the other


Sure I can. IMO, there is absolutely no way anyone should waste three years of their life at a T70, unless that T70 was paying them big bucks to attend.


Of the 6 votes, three were for Cal and three were for USD (sorry, I mean the "T70")

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby jselson » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:17 pm

sinfiery wrote:You should retake. Being young and unburdened by any major commitments such as law school debt will allow you to do almost anything. It can very likely be one of the most exciting years of your life plus the upside of a few full rides in the t14 with that GPA or HYS.


If you don't know what you want to do, I'd go to berk. 200k isn't a terrible COA at all. But you should absolutely retake unless you studied for 3+ months and hit the high end of your pt range.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby BigZuck » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:19 pm

muskies970 wrote:After taxes and living expenses a biglaw job of 160k leaves one with ~40-60k to put towards loans. Therefore unless once is getting 20k in scholarship a year offering a more in scholarship and values a year of their life that way it may not be the best option. Stanford is always a risky option no matter what your options and there's always the chance OP might not improve to those numbers.


I have no idea what this post is saying. Its confusing and nonsensical to me. All I got was that "Stanford is risky" and that's an lolno. Unless you're saying the OP might not get in, then sure, of course. But the OP could have way better options than sticker at Cal, all they need to do is score like 8+ points higher.

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby muskies970 » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:23 pm

BigZuck wrote:
muskies970 wrote:After taxes and living expenses a biglaw job of 160k leaves one with ~40-60k to put towards loans. Therefore unless once is getting 20k in scholarship a year offering a more in scholarship and values a year of their life that way it may not be the best option. Stanford is always a risky option no matter what your options and there's always the chance OP might not improve to those numbers.


I have no idea what this post is saying. Its confusing and nonsensical to me. All I got was that "Stanford is risky" and that's an lolno. Unless you're saying the OP might not get in, then sure, of course. But the OP could have way better options than sticker at Cal, all they need to do is score like 8+ points higher.


risky for acceptance as your option for taking a year off. Way better options for getting back to the Cali market such as? and that warrant a year of foregone income?

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Re: UCB vs T70 full tuition

Postby ManoftheHour » Fri Jun 07, 2013 12:26 pm

It's most likely Cal at sticker vs. LLS with full tuition + $500 monthly living expenses, no?




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