Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

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Harvard vs UVA

Poll ended at Thu May 30, 2013 2:03 am

Harvard ($100K)
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UVA (near 0)
15
11%
 
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Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby 0831kf » Sat May 25, 2013 2:03 am

Hi TLSers, I just got off from Harvard waitlist. I need help on making decision. First time posting on TLS.

-Harvard and UVA, (I got into NYU but not considering it, due to money)

-I am a veteran, receiving GI Bill from Veterans Affairs. GI bill covers
Public school: Full in-state tuition and fee + stipend
Private school: $19K tuition + stipend (pretty much, any private school, I would end up with appx 100K COA)
The stipend is location dependent, for example, Boston $2454/month, Charlottesville $1365/month, NYC $3258/month. Therefore, COL is not a decision factor.

-I was born and raised in Asia, immigrated to US 6 yrs ago, just got off military service. I'm 28 yrs old now. I do not have any strong ties to any place in the US. I lived in NYC and VA. I would like to live either in NYC or DC (unless I love Boston, if I go to Harvard).

- I would like to clerk for federal district court in the east coast and do biglaw for 3-5 years. After that, I'm not sure yet. Ultimate life goal is AIII judge (although I know the chance is extremely slim, it's the American dream come true if I be appointed). Perhaps would want to land federal work after few yrs of biglaw. If I can't get federal gov't work, I might go back home, who knows.

-173/superior (foreign schools don't use actual numbers, just 4 levels: below average/average/above average/superior)

My question is, would Harvard be worth appx $100K more than UVA for my career goals? At first, I was so happy that I got off the list, since Harvard was my dream school. But thinking about having six figure debt vs none at all made me wonder. I won't be able to get help from anybody, have to take out loans. I have about $35K in savings from my service.
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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby Clearly » Sat May 25, 2013 2:09 am

Harvard.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby Bronck » Sat May 25, 2013 2:20 am

Clearlynotstefan wrote:Harvard.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby tabula rasa » Sat May 25, 2013 2:23 am

Bronck wrote:
Clearlynotstefan wrote:Harvard.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby 0831kf » Sat May 25, 2013 2:29 am

I appreciate your answers, but could you be a little more specific why Harvard is worth $100K more?
I come from a poor family and $100K just doesn't sound that good....
Another thing I'm worried at Harvard is being at the bottom of class since there will be so many bright students... I need some reasoning behind that I do not know...! Thank you!!

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby haus » Sat May 25, 2013 3:11 am

UVA is a very good school. But Harvard is Harvard, the job prospects/opportunities, the networking, and the name recognition are worth 100k.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby Dr. Dre » Sat May 25, 2013 4:14 am

tabula rasa wrote:
Bronck wrote:
Clearlynotstefan wrote:Harvard.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby PDaddy » Sat May 25, 2013 4:39 am

I would still do Harvard. It's the biggest, baddest badass school on the planet! Having said that, there are students every year in your position with Harvard v. another top-10 school (NOT YS), like UVA, Berkeley or NU, and one or two will choose the other school. I am sure that they are just fine with their decision, the quality of their education and their lack of debt.

But Harvard is Harvard. It has a cache that is worth five times what you will pay. Dropping H-Bombs on people is fun. I know, because my friend does it - and he gets immediate respect.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby Dr. Dre » Sat May 25, 2013 4:47 am

PDaddy wrote:It's the biggest, baddest badass school on the planet!


nope. Yale is.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby Ramius » Sat May 25, 2013 6:58 am

Before you make this decision, realize that Harvard also plays in the Yellow Ribbon Program, which will likely defray much of the remaining cost left over from the GI Bill. This is Harvard by a mile.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby RhymesLikeDimes » Sat May 25, 2013 8:05 am

Don't be intimidated by differences in student quality from a school like UVA to a school like Harvard. Yes, being at the very top of your class will be more difficult at H, but there is a significant overlap in student ability between most T14s (with maybe Yale being an exception). Any idiot can pull a 3.8 GPA in a social science, and someone with very average intelligence can get 170+ on the LSAT with enough prep.

And also, though it's less a factor at top schools, because your job prospects can stand you being well below median at H, many students there are less focused on grades. Whereas UVA students know that they need to be median or better to feel safe about their futures.

You cannot put a price on the value of having a good network (and if you could, it would be well over $100K). Harvard may be the best place in the world to build a network.
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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby hephaestus » Sat May 25, 2013 8:08 am

Harvard, especially since your goals involve clerking.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby sublime » Sat May 25, 2013 8:29 am

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby Dr. Dre » Sat May 25, 2013 9:12 am

sublime wrote:
Dr. Dre wrote:
PDaddy wrote:It's the biggest, baddest badass school on the planet!


nope. Yale is.


See bolded.


Careful. His usage is ambiguous. (LinkRemoved)

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby 0831kf » Sat May 25, 2013 10:31 am

Wow, thanks guys. I was thinking it would be about half vs half... I was totally wrong. I guess the brand power of Harvard really is huge. I just thought once you graduate and get biglaw, it was going to be about the same.

matthewsean85 wrote:Before you make this decision, realize that Harvard also plays in the Yellow Ribbon Program, which will likely defray much of the remaining cost left over from the GI Bill. This is Harvard by a mile.


I just found out about this and damn why didn't I know this? I might be able to go to Harvard debt free. Last year, Harvard offered 50 veterans $20K, which after all covers all tuition (with VA matching), although there is no guarantee it would continue to be that way for the next 3 years. I guess with money factor gone, it's a simple decision that I should choose Harvard.

RhymesLikeDimes wrote:Don't be intimidated by differences in student quality from a school like UVA to a school like Harvard. Yes, being at the very top of your class will be more difficult at H, but there is a significant overlap in student ability between most T14s (with maybe Yale being an exception). Any idiot can pull a 3.8 GPA in a social science, and someone with very average intelligence can get 170+ on the LSAT with enough prep.

And also, though it's less a factor at top schools, because your job prospects can stand you being well below median at H, many students there are less focused on grades. Whereas UVA students know that they need to be median or better to feel safe about their futures.

You cannot put a price on the value of having a good network (and if you could, it would be well over $100K). Harvard may be the best place in the world to build a network.


haha, I guess I am one of the many idiots. Oh well, my COA would be lower than $100K accroding to matthewsean85 because of additional support the school gives to me. It will probably be in the range of near 0~$50K (depending on the school's choosing, not mine). I guess this makes the decision easier.

I still can't believe there was only 1 who suggested UVA.... Just amazing how people value Harvard. Before I put this up, I was leaning more toward UVA. Now, more toward Harvard.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby Eberry » Sat May 25, 2013 10:36 am

Have fun at Hahvahd, bro.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby RodneyRuxin » Sat May 25, 2013 10:38 am

Dr. Dre wrote:
tabula rasa wrote:
Bronck wrote:
Clearlynotstefan wrote:Harvard.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby sublime » Sat May 25, 2013 10:41 am

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby JamMasterJ » Sat May 25, 2013 10:42 am

Generally speaking, H is worth about 150K more than UVA. Your chances of getting stuck in an undesired outcome are substantially lowered and even if you do, your debt basically gets taken care of for you. At your COA difference, (either 100K or 50K difference - doesn't matter b/c the same holds true either way), this isn't even a close decision.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby BigZuck » Sat May 25, 2013 10:53 am

I chose Harvard

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby bruin91 » Sat May 25, 2013 11:22 am

Thanks very much for your service, sir. Have a blast at Harvard and shoot for the Circuit Court my man!

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby 0831kf » Sat May 25, 2013 11:58 am

What do you guys think about deferring a year? Law school isn't going anywhere, neither my GI Bill.
My parents are still in Asia and would like to live in mother country a year before I go to LS, since I won't go back there anymore except for visiting purposes. My COL will be slim (living with parents) and will be able to make money teaching LSAT (around $500~1K/wk part time, especially with Harvard acceptance letter. Asians are crazy with Harvard). I will also try to find a girl I can marry while I'm there (I really would like to marry who speak same language and who has same culture, although it won't be too hard to find one in NYC) Also I would be able to enjoy my freedom that I sacrificed for the last 5 years serving my country... I'm thinking about doing some PI work (not necessarily legal) back there if I defer. Any thoughts or suggestions?

bruin91 wrote:Thanks very much for your service, sir. Have a blast at Harvard and shoot for the Circuit Court my man!


Thank you for your tax, sir. That's where my GI Bill is coming from. I truly appreciate all taxpayers. I'm aiming for district court because I want to be a litigator.

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Re: Harvard ($100K) vs UVA (near 0)

Postby sinfiery » Sat May 25, 2013 12:03 pm

If Harvard lets you, do it man! Sounds amazing. However, coming off the waitlist, I hear it is hard to get a deferral.

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Postby Myself » Sat May 25, 2013 12:15 pm

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