Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride Forum
-
- Posts: 694
- Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:17 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
How bout Duke with $$$? I imagine this would be good option, as Duke probably has stronger pull than most schools in its rank range, and its Biglaw + Fed clerkship rate is a solid 63%.
OP why didn't you apply to Duke?
OP why didn't you apply to Duke?
- ajclark1992
- Posts: 103
- Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:21 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
I didn't apply because I couldn't see myself, in any circumstance, taking Duke over Texas (also understanding I had a pretty good shot at CCNMVP, and seeing UT as my "scholarship option.") Probably misjudged, seeing as I should have been looking at all "scholarship options" with my undergrad debt.Total Litigator wrote:How bout Duke with $$$? I imagine this would be good option, as Duke probably has stronger pull than most schools in its rank range, and its Biglaw + Fed clerkship rate is a solid 63%.
OP why didn't you apply to Duke?
- sinfiery
- Posts: 3310
- Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:55 am
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Has that changed now? Because MVPDCN give you a much better shot at Texas biglaw with ties than UT and all of them could end up costing maybe 25-40k more than UT.
There's something to be said for where you live for 3 years, but the t14 is the t14 for a reason. Biglaw employment prospects really do become much better.
There's something to be said for where you live for 3 years, but the t14 is the t14 for a reason. Biglaw employment prospects really do become much better.
- Br3v
- Posts: 4290
- Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:18 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
UG debt should be treated as a sunk cost IMO. I know in aggregate with H debt it makes a difference, but if you want to be comparing apples to apples you should do so.
-
- Posts: 369
- Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:20 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Are people saying Harvard absolutely insane.. Go to Texas or don't go at all.
Want to continue reading?
Register now to search topics and post comments!
Absolutely FREE!
Already a member? Login
- Nelson
- Posts: 2058
- Joined: Thu Feb 03, 2011 12:43 am
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
This is terrible advice.Br3v wrote:UG debt should be treated as a sunk cost IMO. I know in aggregate with H debt it makes a difference, but if you want to be comparing apples to apples you should do so.
- ajclark1992
- Posts: 103
- Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:21 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
It has changed...a little bit. My only hang up is that I already tried for MVP -- the only addition would be a year of work experience. I can't see Cornell being too much better than Texas in Texas. N was out of the cards before because I didn't want to take the year, and D wasn't on my radar. Over the weekend, I've got to think about whether I would definitely take full scholarships at D and N before I'd go to Harvard or Texas (definitely being operative) though; if it isn't definitive, I'm still going to choose between H and UT.sinfiery wrote:Has that changed now? Because MVPDCN give you a much better shot at Texas biglaw with ties than UT and all of them could end up costing maybe 25-40k more than UT.
There's something to be said for where you live for 3 years, but the t14 is the t14 for a reason. Biglaw employment prospects really do become much better.
Hoping that Harvard gives me a bit of aid so I can stomach the debt for the security.
- Monochromatic Oeuvre
- Posts: 2479
- Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 9:40 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
I noticed you had a UVA YP. Did you write Why essays at MVP? IMO, they're more important there than anyone else for money because those three are the biggest YPers. A good Why essay is often the difference between a waitlist and six figures there. Maybe Cornell doesn't place better in TX, but Northwestern might and Duke up certainly will.ajclark1992 wrote:It has changed...a little bit. My only hang up is that I already tried for MVP -- the only addition would be a year of work experience. I can't see Cornell being too much better than Texas in Texas. N was out of the cards before because I didn't want to take the year, and D wasn't on my radar. Over the weekend, I've got to think about whether I would definitely take full scholarships at D and N before I'd go to Harvard or Texas (definitely being operative) though; if it isn't definitive, I'm still going to choose between H and UT.sinfiery wrote:Has that changed now? Because MVPDCN give you a much better shot at Texas biglaw with ties than UT and all of them could end up costing maybe 25-40k more than UT.
There's something to be said for where you live for 3 years, but the t14 is the t14 for a reason. Biglaw employment prospects really do become much better.
Hoping that Harvard gives me a bit of aid so I can stomach the debt for the security.
Other posters have identified Duke and the Mordecai with good reason. It's maybe the only school (Northwestern is the other possibility) that will both absolutely place better in TX than UT and absolutely will consider giving your numbers a full ride.
- ajclark1992
- Posts: 103
- Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:21 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
I did write them (apparently I could've been more convincing). I got WL at Virginia, $75,000 at Michigan and $0 at Penn. Yeah -- I understand the logical reasoning behind Duke, Northwestern. It's just difficult to give up a spot at Harvard (that I got by a thread -- hold, waitlist, JS1, JS1b) to go for a possibility of a full ride, not the definite thing. If it were right in front of me as an option, I'd take it. I just need a little time to process the idea of taking the year and redoing the process all over again.Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:I noticed you had a UVA YP. Did you write Why essays at MVP? IMO, they're more important there than anyone else for money because those three are the biggest YPers. A good Why essay is often the difference between a waitlist and six figures there. Maybe Cornell doesn't place better in TX, but Northwestern might and Duke up certainly will.ajclark1992 wrote:It has changed...a little bit. My only hang up is that I already tried for MVP -- the only addition would be a year of work experience. I can't see Cornell being too much better than Texas in Texas. N was out of the cards before because I didn't want to take the year, and D wasn't on my radar. Over the weekend, I've got to think about whether I would definitely take full scholarships at D and N before I'd go to Harvard or Texas (definitely being operative) though; if it isn't definitive, I'm still going to choose between H and UT.sinfiery wrote:Has that changed now? Because MVPDCN give you a much better shot at Texas biglaw with ties than UT and all of them could end up costing maybe 25-40k more than UT.
There's something to be said for where you live for 3 years, but the t14 is the t14 for a reason. Biglaw employment prospects really do become much better.
Hoping that Harvard gives me a bit of aid so I can stomach the debt for the security.
Other posters have identified Duke and the Mordecai with good reason. It's maybe the only school (Northwestern is the other possibility) that will both absolutely place better in TX than UT and absolutely will consider giving your numbers a full ride.
- Dr. Dre
- Posts: 2337
- Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:10 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
YPajclark1992 wrote:I got WL at Virginia
-
- Posts: 1947
- Joined: Sat Mar 03, 2012 2:55 am
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Well, maybe H will come through with a huge amount of aid and render this discussion moot(ish) -- though your intimation that your parents have significant income/assets leads me to think the grant won't be huge. But I have no idea how H weighs $100K+ of debt in your name against parental income/assets. If your debt at graduation were more like $300K (i.e., not too much more than COA at sticker for three years), then going to H would be more like somewhat terrifying than insane.ajclark1992 wrote:I did write them (apparently I could've been more convincing). I got WL at Virginia, $75,000 at Michigan and $0 at Penn. Yeah -- I understand the logical reasoning behind Duke, Northwestern. It's just difficult to give up a spot at Harvard (that I got by a thread -- hold, waitlist, JS1, JS1b) to go for a possibility of a full ride, not the definite thing. If it were right in front of me as an option, I'd take it. I just need a little time to process the idea of taking the year and redoing the process all over again.Monochromatic Oeuvre wrote:I noticed you had a UVA YP. Did you write Why essays at MVP? IMO, they're more important there than anyone else for money because those three are the biggest YPers. A good Why essay is often the difference between a waitlist and six figures there. Maybe Cornell doesn't place better in TX, but Northwestern might and Duke up certainly will.ajclark1992 wrote:It has changed...a little bit. My only hang up is that I already tried for MVP -- the only addition would be a year of work experience. I can't see Cornell being too much better than Texas in Texas. N was out of the cards before because I didn't want to take the year, and D wasn't on my radar. Over the weekend, I've got to think about whether I would definitely take full scholarships at D and N before I'd go to Harvard or Texas (definitely being operative) though; if it isn't definitive, I'm still going to choose between H and UT.sinfiery wrote:Has that changed now? Because MVPDCN give you a much better shot at Texas biglaw with ties than UT and all of them could end up costing maybe 25-40k more than UT.
There's something to be said for where you live for 3 years, but the t14 is the t14 for a reason. Biglaw employment prospects really do become much better.
Hoping that Harvard gives me a bit of aid so I can stomach the debt for the security.
Other posters have identified Duke and the Mordecai with good reason. It's maybe the only school (Northwestern is the other possibility) that will both absolutely place better in TX than UT and absolutely will consider giving your numbers a full ride.
-
- Posts: 47
- Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 4:18 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
This man's youth will work against him during OCI no matter where he goes.
- ajclark1992
- Posts: 103
- Joined: Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:21 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
lol people have been telling me that age comes before performance for a long time. haven't found it to be the case yet -- if you can produce value, you can produce value -- but I guess we'll see.2014utLaw wrote:This man's youth will work against him during OCI no matter where he goes.
Register now!
Resources to assist law school applicants, students & graduates.
It's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
- Dr. Dre
- Posts: 2337
- Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:10 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
younger doods > older doods2014utLaw wrote:This man's youth will work against him during OCI no matter where he goes.
-
- Posts: 11730
- Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:53 am
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Isn't that kind of the point, that K-JDs have almost never produced anything of value in a work setting?ajclark1992 wrote:lol people have been telling me that age comes before performance for a long time. haven't found it to be the case yet -- if you can produce value, you can produce value -- but I guess we'll see.2014utLaw wrote:This man's youth will work against him during OCI no matter where he goes.
- Dr. Dre
- Posts: 2337
- Joined: Mon Feb 18, 2013 7:10 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
BigZuck wrote:
Isn't that kind of the point, that K-JDs have almost never produced anything of value in a work setting?
Fuck your MBA-skewl mentality
-
- Posts: 11730
- Joined: Tue Sep 04, 2012 9:53 am
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Dr. Dre wrote:BigZuck wrote:
Isn't that kind of the point, that K-JDs have almost never produced anything of value in a work setting?
Fuck your MBA-skewl mentality
Get unlimited access to all forums and topics
Register now!
I'm pretty sure I told you it's FREE...
Already a member? Login
- Br3v
- Posts: 4290
- Joined: Mon Jun 13, 2011 7:18 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Except its not. He has that debt regardless.Nelson wrote:This is terrible advice.Br3v wrote:UG debt should be treated as a sunk cost IMO. I know in aggregate with H debt it makes a difference, but if you want to be comparing apples to apples you should do so.
-
- Posts: 694
- Joined: Tue Jul 06, 2010 12:17 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Yeah, sunk cost = already paid.Br3v wrote:Except its not. He has that debt regardless.Nelson wrote:This is terrible advice.Br3v wrote:UG debt should be treated as a sunk cost IMO. I know in aggregate with H debt it makes a difference, but if you want to be comparing apples to apples you should do so.
- sinfiery
- Posts: 3310
- Joined: Thu Jul 14, 2011 2:55 am
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Increase in risk per dollar of debt isn't linear tho
- Monochromatic Oeuvre
- Posts: 2479
- Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 9:40 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Always needs to be remembered. Marginal utility of each scholarship dollar decreases as the amount increases. A $50k scholarship saves maybe $75k relative to sticker, whereas a $150k scholarship saves maybe $55-60k relative to a $100k scholarship. In pure dollar terms, a scholarship is worth more than half of a scholarship for twice the amount.sinfiery wrote:Increase in risk per dollar of debt isn't linear tho
Communicate now with those who not only know what a legal education is, but can offer you worthy advice and commentary as you complete the three most educational, yet challenging years of your law related post graduate life.
Register now, it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login
- jbagelboy
- Posts: 10361
- Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:57 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
Which is exactly why we always look at CoA for comparisonsMonochromatic Oeuvre wrote:Always needs to be remembered. Marginal utility of each scholarship dollar decreases as the amount increases. A $50k scholarship saves maybe $75k relative to sticker, whereas a $150k scholarship saves maybe $55-60k relative to a $100k scholarship. In pure dollar terms, a scholarship is worth more than half of a scholarship for twice the amount.sinfiery wrote:Increase in risk per dollar of debt isn't linear tho
- Monochromatic Oeuvre
- Posts: 2479
- Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 9:40 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
But the same holds true for COA. The relative difference between $200k and $250k in COA turns out to be significantly larger than the difference between $50k and $100k once compounded interest is factored in.jbagelboy wrote:Which is exactly why we always look at CoA for comparisonsMonochromatic Oeuvre wrote:Always needs to be remembered. Marginal utility of each scholarship dollar decreases as the amount increases. A $50k scholarship saves maybe $75k relative to sticker, whereas a $150k scholarship saves maybe $55-60k relative to a $100k scholarship. In pure dollar terms, a scholarship is worth more than half of a scholarship for twice the amount.sinfiery wrote:Increase in risk per dollar of debt isn't linear tho
-
- Posts: 3436
- Joined: Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:39 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
objectively wrongDr. Dre wrote:younger doods > older doods2014utLaw wrote:This man's youth will work against him during OCI no matter where he goes.
- jbagelboy
- Posts: 10361
- Joined: Thu Nov 29, 2012 7:57 pm
Re: Harvard Sticker v. Texas Full-Ride
What? by COA I include interest at loan repaymentMonochromatic Oeuvre wrote:But the same holds true for COA. The relative difference between $200k and $250k in COA turns out to be significantly larger than the difference between $50k and $100k once compounded interest is factored in.jbagelboy wrote:Which is exactly why we always look at CoA for comparisonsMonochromatic Oeuvre wrote:Always needs to be remembered. Marginal utility of each scholarship dollar decreases as the amount increases. A $50k scholarship saves maybe $75k relative to sticker, whereas a $150k scholarship saves maybe $55-60k relative to a $100k scholarship. In pure dollar terms, a scholarship is worth more than half of a scholarship for twice the amount.sinfiery wrote:Increase in risk per dollar of debt isn't linear tho
Seriously? What are you waiting for?
Now there's a charge.
Just kidding ... it's still FREE!
Already a member? Login