NYU v Duke

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NYU v Duke

NYU (280k)
10
19%
Duke (180k)
43
81%
 
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thisisunexpected
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NYU v Duke

Postby thisisunexpected » Wed May 22, 2013 10:31 pm

Choice: NYU (probably at sticker, was just admitted off the waitlist today, so we'll say $280k) vs. Duke ($180k)

Goals: the usual, clerkship, public interest or biglaw, NYC

Other: I've worked at a firm in NYC for 4 years now, so I have some connections here already. I have some savings and a 401k I can cash out, but the vast majority of the above amounts will be loan-funded. I've got a week to decide.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby valrath » Wed May 22, 2013 10:43 pm

I don't think NYU is worth 100k more than Duke

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby Bronck » Wed May 22, 2013 10:44 pm

valrath wrote:I don't think NYU is not worth 100k more than Duke


FTFY

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Tom Joad
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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby Tom Joad » Wed May 22, 2013 10:56 pm

Duke. Don't be silly.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby JamMasterJ » Wed May 22, 2013 10:57 pm

Duke unless you get 67K

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby hephaestus » Wed May 22, 2013 11:02 pm

Tom Joad wrote:Duke. Don't be silly.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby supernma » Wed May 22, 2013 11:04 pm

OP what are your numbers (if you don't mind sharing them)?

thisisunexpected
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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby thisisunexpected » Wed May 22, 2013 11:11 pm

3.4/170. They're clearly having a weird year.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby supernma » Wed May 22, 2013 11:13 pm

Word. Actually that seems about right to me. Did you do ED to NYU? Just curious.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby rickgrimes69 » Wed May 22, 2013 11:18 pm

1. NYU is objectively not worth sticker price.
2. NYU is objectively not worth $100k more than Duke.
3. Seriously, NYU is not worth $100k more than Duke.

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supernma
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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby supernma » Wed May 22, 2013 11:21 pm

I would probably disagree with you on that one. Just sayin'.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby Ti Malice » Wed May 22, 2013 11:26 pm

ImNoScar wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:Duke. Don't be silly.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby thisisunexpected » Thu May 23, 2013 12:12 am

supernma wrote:Word. Actually that seems about right to me. Did you do ED to NYU? Just curious.


Nope, applied in February.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby rad lulz » Thu May 23, 2013 12:45 am

Ti Malice wrote:
ImNoScar wrote:
Tom Joad wrote:Duke. Don't be silly.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby jbagelboy » Thu May 23, 2013 1:13 am

I would not attend NYU with sticker debt

Duke at that price is a respectable deal

50K at NYU would beat your Duke scholarship professionally speaking with NYC biglaw/PI ambitions (although you should know whether you want to work for a law firm or in public service since they have pretty different trajectories...). Then again, this is with the assumption that you have 4 years of NYC ties, friends, maybe family, and arent looking for change.

With these two options I voted you stick with Duke. Update with scholarship information if it comes in. Also, CONGRATS on NYU with a 3.4!

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby heywatchitbuddy » Thu May 23, 2013 1:37 am

Question about Duke, roughly what percentage of the class gets biglaw?

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby sublime » Thu May 23, 2013 2:13 am

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby quakeroats » Thu May 23, 2013 2:35 am

sublime wrote:
heywatchitbuddy wrote:Question about Duke, roughly what percentage of the class gets biglaw?


http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school= ... =employers

40 to 50% depending on your definition of Biglaw.


You should probably add in that 12.9% federal clerkship number.

If we're doing fed clerks plus 250+ firms that's 62.6%.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby sinfiery » Thu May 23, 2013 9:39 am

rickgrimes69 wrote:1. NYU is objectively not worth sticker price.

Objectively is a strong word.



OP, I picked NYU at 200k over UVA at 115k. It wasn't the best financial decision but I'd rather live in NYC for 3 years in my 20s and my career goals could really be boosted by lateraling from a v5 firm which NYU dominates non t6 schools in.


Still financially stupid and I can't advise anyone to do what I did. Go to Duke.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby rickgrimes69 » Thu May 23, 2013 9:59 am

sinfiery wrote:
rickgrimes69 wrote:1. NYU is objectively not worth sticker price.

Objectively is a strong word.


It's an accurate one. IMO, no school outside of HYS is worth sticker ITE, and those schools are only worth it because of their excellent LRAP. $280k for law school is just too expensive nowadays, and NYU just isn't special enough (no offense) to merit such an absurdly high COA.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby sinfiery » Thu May 23, 2013 10:04 am

How do you feel about PAYE? It seems to have the potential to dramatically lower the downside of the law school investment? And if the tax bomb is removed, is a little bit too perfect.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby loomstate » Thu May 23, 2013 10:11 am

The argument for NYU in this situation depends on OP's interests and goals.

If OP wants biglaw, NYU is a legitimate move - whereas NYU has about 5% bad outcomes and Duke has about 15%. That being said, if OP is capable enough to avoid bottom ~5% at NYU that may equate to capable enough to avoid bottom ~15% at Duke. But who knows.

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school= ... =employers

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school= ... =employers

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby thisisunexpected » Thu May 23, 2013 10:45 am

loomstate wrote:The argument for NYU in this situation depends on OP's interests and goals.

If OP wants biglaw, NYU is a legitimate move - whereas NYU has about 5% bad outcomes and Duke has about 15%. That being said, if OP is capable enough to avoid bottom ~5% at NYU that may equate to capable enough to avoid bottom ~15% at Duke. But who knows.

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school= ... =employers

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school= ... =employers



I would think that the bigger difference would be if I want PI/government? NYU has been placing about twice as many people there (20-25%) as Duke (8-10%) according to lst.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby Doorkeeper » Thu May 23, 2013 10:46 am

JamMasterJ wrote:Duke unless you get 67K

This. Make sure you tell NYU about your Duke scholarship. People who get accepted off of the waitlist can get scholarship money.

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Re: NYU v Duke

Postby rickgrimes69 » Thu May 23, 2013 11:12 am

sinfiery wrote:How do you feel about PAYE? It seems to have the potential to dramatically lower the downside of the law school investment? And if the tax bomb is removed, is a little bit too perfect.


If the Tax Bomb gets removed (and that's a big If) that lowers the risk a lot and makes NYU at sticker less of an objectively bad decision. It's still a relatively bad decision though, when you consider how much extra you're paying per additional percentage chance at a positive outcome. Duke placed within 1% of NYU's large firm and federal clerkship placement last year. Unless someone is dead-set on P.I. work or unnecessarily concerned about dat V10 prefstige, NYU offers a very marginal advantage but costs a lot more.




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