ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby froglee » Fri May 03, 2013 9:07 am

University of Miami---beautiful beachs and great connections in Florida. Imagining working a big law firm and seeing the beaches from your office windows..

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby Gunnar Stahl » Fri May 03, 2013 9:42 am

froglee wrote:University of Miami---beautiful beachs and great connections in Florida. Imagining working a big law firm and seeing the beaches from your office windows..

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby NYstate » Fri May 03, 2013 9:51 am

froglee wrote:University of Miami---beautiful beachs and great connections in Florida. Imagining working a big law firm and seeing the beaches from your office windows..

Looking out the window and watching everyone else have a great time isn't all you think it might be.

Also, getting to that big law firm from Miami is extremely unlikely.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby patrickd139 » Fri May 03, 2013 9:57 am

froglee wrote:University of Miami---beautiful beachs and great connections in Florida. Imagining working a big law firm and seeing the beaches from your office windows..

This is bad advice and you should feel bad.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby hephaestus » Fri May 03, 2013 10:18 am

patrickd139 wrote:
froglee wrote:University of Miami---beautiful beachs and great connections in Florida. Imagining working a big law firm and seeing the beaches from your office windows..

This is bad advice and you should feel bad.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby BigZuck » Fri May 03, 2013 10:53 am

ImNoScar wrote:
patrickd139 wrote:
froglee wrote:University of Miami---beautiful beachs and great connections in Florida. Imagining working a big law firm and seeing the beaches from your office windows..

This is bad advice and you should feel bad.


Maybe you two knuckleheads should feel bad for thinking that was serious advice.

Obvious sarcastic post was obviously sarcastic

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby FKASunny » Fri May 03, 2013 11:09 am

BigZuck wrote:
ImNoScar wrote:
patrickd139 wrote:
froglee wrote:University of Miami---beautiful beachs and great connections in Florida. Imagining working a big law firm and seeing the beaches from your office windows..

This is bad advice and you should feel bad.


Maybe you two knuckleheads should feel bad for thinking that was serious advice.

Obvious sarcastic post was obviously sarcastic

Also, there are no beaches in the city of Miami.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby hephaestus » Fri May 03, 2013 11:18 am

BigZuck wrote:
ImNoScar wrote:
patrickd139 wrote:
froglee wrote:University of Miami---beautiful beachs and great connections in Florida. Imagining working a big law firm and seeing the beaches from your office windows..

This is bad advice and you should feel bad.


Maybe you two knuckleheads should feel bad for thinking that was serious advice.

Obvious sarcastic post was obviously sarcastic

Obviously it was a joke. However, some people may honestly believe him at face value. People do not need any encouragement to attend these schools at these prices.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby jne381 » Fri May 03, 2013 8:38 pm

I would say MSU because I am biased, but it is hard to argue with free at Wayne.

As for not being able to leave Michigan with a degree from MSU, this is just silly. I would estimate that about a third of the people that were in my 1L section are now gainfully employed outside of Michigan. Most seem to be based in NY, Texas, DC metro, and Illinois. Not big law, but they have jobs.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby BigZuck » Fri May 03, 2013 11:58 pm

jne381 wrote:I would say MSU because I am biased, but it is hard to argue with free at Wayne.

As for not being able to leave Michigan with a degree from MSU, this is just silly. I would estimate that about a third of the people that were in my 1L section are now gainfully employed outside of Michigan. Most seem to be based in NY, Texas, DC metro, and Illinois. Not big law, but they have jobs.


Only about 40% of the most recent class at MSU became lawyers at all. So you saying that about 1/3 of the people you know are working as lawyers outside of the state of Michigan just does not add up. Unless maybe if you graduated a long time ago. Or unless you're saying they are employed as baristas and burger flippers, not lawyers.

Speaking of frightening employment statistics, I assumed that Michigan State was way better than Wayne state just because I had heard of the former, not the latter. Boy was I wrong. Both are not good law schools in terms of job placement. But Wayne State is significantly better than MSU if you actually want to work as a lawyer. Given how bad most law schools are in this country I don't know that the OP is all that bad off if they attend Wayne State for free. As long as they are ok with working at a small law firm in Michigan and they realize that there is about a 50% chance that after three years they won't have a lawyer job to show for it (but of course this is the case for most "strong regionals" that TLS says are good options if they are free)

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby rickgrimes69 » Sat May 04, 2013 1:27 am

jne381 wrote:As for not being able to leave Michigan with a degree from MSU, this is just silly. I would estimate that about a third of the people that were in my 1L section are now gainfully employed outside of Michigan. Most seem to be based in NY, Texas, DC metro, and Illinois. Not big law, but they have jobs.


Best schools for NYC / DC market: HYS, CCN, MSU?

Edit: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school= ... b=location
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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby dr123 » Sat May 04, 2013 1:31 am

jne381 wrote:I would say MSU because I am biased, but it is hard to argue with free at Wayne.

As for not being able to leave Michigan with a degree from MSU, this is just silly. I would estimate that about a third of the people that were in my 1L section are now gainfully employed outside of Michigan. Most seem to be based in NY, Texas, DC metro, and Illinois. Not big law, but they have jobs.


http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=msu

Really, bc LST doesnt seem to agree.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby jne381 » Sat May 04, 2013 11:38 am

BigZuck wrote:Only about 40% of the most recent class at MSU became lawyers at all. So you saying that about 1/3 of the people you know are working as lawyers outside of the state of Michigan just does not add up. Unless maybe if you graduated a long time ago. Or unless you're saying they are employed as baristas and burger flippers, not lawyers.


I can't say what is going on with the other sections from the year I entered, but my section was about 70 people, and I there are about 20-some people from that section working in other states. I don't know what to tell you.

Edit- okay, I just did an official facebook count, and it is only 19.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby patrickd139 » Sat May 04, 2013 2:33 pm

jne381 wrote:
BigZuck wrote:Only about 40% of the most recent class at MSU became lawyers at all. So you saying that about 1/3 of the people you know are working as lawyers outside of the state of Michigan just does not add up. Unless maybe if you graduated a long time ago. Or unless you're saying they are employed as baristas and burger flippers, not lawyers.


I can't say what is going on with the other sections from the year I entered, but my section was about 70 people, and I there are about 20-some people from that section working in other states. I don't know what to tell you.

Edit- okay, I just did an official facebook count, and it is only 19.

Are they attorneys?

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby Law911 » Fri May 10, 2013 6:50 pm

Has anyone noticed that the LST and the US News employment numbers don't match up? It's really confusing

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby Gunnar Stahl » Fri May 10, 2013 8:38 pm

Law911 wrote:Has anyone noticed that the LST and the US News employment numbers don't match up? It's really confusing

Us news employment numbers are inflated by the schools. LST is the best real data we have. Ignore anything you read in us news

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby Law911 » Fri May 10, 2013 11:54 pm

On LST are the Key Stats drawn from the ABA format or are they different raw data sources?

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby romothesavior » Mon May 13, 2013 11:22 pm

Ignore USNWR

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby Law911 » Thu May 16, 2013 1:19 pm

Withdrew from Miami today. It hurts so bad to turn down $90k especially to live in Miami, but you guys are right. The debt burden is not worth it

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby patrickd139 » Thu May 16, 2013 2:02 pm

Law911 wrote:Withdrew from Miami today. It hurts so bad to turn down $90k especially to live in Miami, but you guys are right. The debt burden is not worth it

Good. 1 down, three to withdraw from go.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby Law911 » Mon May 27, 2013 10:23 am

I chose to go to Wayne State on the full scholarship with $0 in COA. Can't beat free and Wayne has a great reputation within the state of Michigan / city of Detroit. Hopefully the decision turns out to be worthwhile.
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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby BigZuck » Mon May 27, 2013 2:02 pm

Law911 wrote:the state of Detroit.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby MichNole19 » Mon May 27, 2013 2:43 pm

I would go with Wayne for free, there is no reason to go further in debt to get an equivalent degree. Something else to think about, I attend UF but went to FSU for undergrad and so far the ability to reach two alumni networks has worked in my favor, so I would strongly consider not going to MSU again.

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Re: ASU vs. Miami vs. Michigan State vs. Wayne

Postby Mick Haller » Mon May 27, 2013 3:03 pm

None of above




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