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[vanwinkle]

those that think this putrid of a law school is a sound choice can go fuck themselves too

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[bk1]

As for UCI vs UCD at equal cost, I think you're basically comparing a known bad quantity with a huge unknown. I don't think there's a right call either way. Old post but I think it sums it up well enough:

There is some data and it's promising. For example, a surprising amount of UCI students have managed to snag A3 clerkships. But it's stupid to think that UCI will be on par with UCLA/USC. UCLA/USC have entrenched alumni networks and connections to firms that expect to hire a certain number of grads each year from those schools, UCI does not have this. UCLA/USC have a history of being the prestigious local schools in SoCal, UCI does not have this and it is something that would take a while to build considering the legal field is a prestige-obsessed industry that is resistant to change. UCI being a peer of UCLA/USC in terms of prestige would be pretty unprecedented and it doesn't make sense to believe that it will happen without any proof.

As for job placement, it is in the realm of possibility that UCI's first class puts up job placement numbers on par with UCLA/USC. But UCI's first class was 60 people. The fewer people the school has to place the easier it is to put up good numbers. The school increased its class size by 50% in its second year and will likely increase it more as time goes on. Furthermore Chemerinsky and other faculty are calling favors to help their students. Those favors are going to run out some time and aren't going to extend indefinitely into the future. That makes it pretty much impossible for them to sustain their placement. The school will also have to be self-sustainable in terms of cost and will have trouble pulling in the same level of talent in its student body due to the fact that they are basically hemorrhaging money for the moment (their first class paid 0 in tuition) on top of the increase in size. This drop in student quality likely will also hurt their placement. UCLA/USC have established pipelines to firms/judges that UCI does not.

I think the most important thing to look at UCI's A3 placement for the first class is to consider the increase in class size that happened (50%) and that there were likely many favors called in by the faculty and there is no guarantee that those will continue.

I honestly think both UCI and UCD are bad bets at over 100k debt. Maybe for 50k or so, but at 150k the answer is clearly no to both of these schools. The fact is, law school may not be in the cards for OP if s/he has already 4x'ed the LSAT and can't bring down the cost for these schools below 100k. It's tough but it's true.

[Gotti]

Went to UCI UG, lived there for 5 years (1 year after graduating). The campus is beautiful, city is boring as hell.

I'd rather live there than Davis though. Unless you like to go cowtipping for your evening entertainment.

This. So. Much. This.

At least in Irvine, you can visit LA or SD. All Davis has is Sactown.

Man, haters gonna hate. Davis is fun in its own right. Irvine is as far from SD as Davis is from SF and I suspect that after traffic the drive from Davis to SF is about the same as Irvine to LA.

I never went to SD much but everyone in irvine knows not to go to LA between 3 and 7...and even though 40-45 miles isn't THAT different from 70ish, it still feels like a lot more when you're driving 40 mins than 1.5 hours. NONE of my Davis friends ever went to SF, but all of MB irvine friends went to LA a lot.

[bk1]

I never went to SD much but everyone in irvine knows not to go to LA between 3 and 7...and even though 40-45 miles isn't THAT different from 70ish, it still feels like a lot more when you're driving 40 mins than 1.5 hours.

1.5? Psh, you can make SF in an hour easy.

NONE of my Davis friends ever went to SF, but all of MB irvine friends went to LA a lot.

That's cause Davis is good enough you don't have to leave but Irvine sucks so much that you can't wait to leave.

[Micdiddy]

That's cause Davis is good enough you don't have to leave but Irvine sucks so much that you can't wait to leave.

QFT
Davis is an awesome town

[Lasers]

I never went to SD much but everyone in irvine knows not to go to LA between 3 and 7...and even though 40-45 miles isn't THAT different from 70ish, it still feels like a lot more when you're driving 40 mins than 1.5 hours.

1.5? Psh, you can make SF in an hour easy.

NONE of my Davis friends ever went to SF, but all of MB irvine friends went to LA a lot.

That's cause Davis is good enough you don't have to leave but Irvine sucks so much that you can't wait to leave.

haha, there are haters on BOTH SIDES.

irvine has more to offer than davis, imo. davis may be close to sf, but that's about it. sacramento has nothing. irvine has SD/LA plus several beaches and cool areas around the OC. far more interesting and varied than davis can offer.

[bk1]

haha, there are haters on BOTH SIDES.

irvine has more to offer than davis, imo. davis may be close to sf, but that's about it. sacramento has nothing. irvine has SD/LA plus several beaches and cool areas around the OC. far more interesting and varied than davis can offer.

I'm mostly messing around other than to say that I don't think Davis is all that bad. I think the relative merits to Davis and Irvine as cities is not really relevant to choosing between these schools.

[gitguy]

5. We don't hate UCI, we inform people when they are considering terrible decisions.

why not?

Any new law school deserves hate. The students are ok, dont get me wrong. But whoever came up with the idea needs to go fuck himself.

those that think this putrid of a law school is a sound choice can go fuck themselves too

You are officially the Sara Palin of TLS. You don't add anything the least bit constructive, and we all wish you would just. go. away.

[Big Dog]

I don't understand why you are butthurt about OTHER people going to UCI like it's affecting you in some way.

I don't understand why Dr. Dre is butthurt about UCI. Period. (It's one of 300 law schools, several of which are new. So What?)

[somewhatwayward]

my point was simply that basedI on the current numbers out, UCI is NOT on the same level as USC/UCLA, even with a minuscule class. any conclusion other than that is conjecture on either side.

Well, for the sake of accuracy, based on the current numbers, with the miniscule class size, UCI is above USC, UCLA, and in fact most of the T14. That's not conjecture, that's fact. Also, wholly unsustainable due to sample size. Once the dust settles and the class size jumps to 120, then let's conjecture that it will settle in at No. 19, just behind UCLA and USC. That makes everyone (un)happy. Deal?

This past year UCI was giving scholarships to people who UCLA/USC flat out rejected. Since they seem to be going for a 164/165 median and appear to have less regard for GPA than UCLA/USC I expect that they will continue accepting students that UCLA/USC reject or WL. Plus they are only filling a class of around 100. UCLA/USC have to fill larger classes and maintain higher LSAT medians. Whether this will matter beyond for ranking purposes I don't know. But 165/3.5 is not really T20 territory. I would be pretty shocked if UCI was 19 in the long run. It might debut there even with the non-T20 medians bc of Chem's pulling for clerkships and the small class size making, eg, 13 people in big law seem high. 13 is a drop in the bucket. The test comes when firms have to decide whether they will displace UCLA/USC kids for UCI kids in their classes on a large scale.

TL; DR: IMNSHO you're smoking smthg if you seriously think UCI will, or deserves, to debut at 19.

[Cobretti]

[twenty]

My friend has this almost identical situation, and I'm warning him not to take UCI without at least 100k scholarship (and he won't have any room and board expenses). I think TLS wisdom holds true here; if you go to a regional school, make sure to not go for less than about 70k debt. Which for you, looks like a full ride.

When you graduate, your payments will be over 1,600 a month. If you aren't making at least 60k a year, you're basically screwed.

[hephaestus]

Neither. Big law is virtually unattainable from both schools and mid law isnt really a thing.

[Gotti]

Neither. Big law is virtually unattainable from both schools and mid law isnt really a thing.

Tbf, getting biglaw jobs from CA schools besides UCLA USC Stanford and Berkeley is virtually impossible. There are just too many schools in CA and the market sucks. But honestly OP is not saying "should I go to UCI, UCD, or NEITHER" he's asking which one. If you're gonna say neither you might as well not comment, bc I'm sure he's aware of the risks.

&bk I knew you were messing around I didn't like living in OC either if I'm gonna be honest, but then again I hate the suburbs and moved to NYC, so thats the kind of person I am. It's not for everyone, but I know people who loved irvine.

[bk1]

But honestly OP is not saying "should I go to UCI, UCD, or NEITHER" he's asking which one.

This is irrelevant. The best decision is the best decision, whether or not OP is willing to listen to people who tell him that neither is the correct response.

[BigZuck]

I think we can all agree that the OP should not go to law school if these are his only choices.

I am tired of reading about UCI. Mods, please lock this thread so we don't have to read any more UCI arguing, TYIA!

[BigZuck]

And then maybe sticky a thread at the top of every subforum that links to a mega thread where the pro-UCI and anti-UCI sides can scream at each other back and forth and then the rest of us won't have to be subjected to this stuff.

[vanwinkle]

I am tired of reading about UCI. Mods, please lock this thread so we don't have to read any more UCI arguing, TYIA!

Posters, please don't presume to tell us when threads should be locked unless you want to get banned drunk sheriff style, TYIA.

[Big Dog]

hey zuck, if we locked every thread that had arguing, TLS would cease to exist.

[BigZuck]

I am tired of reading about UCI. Mods, please lock this thread so we don't have to read any more UCI arguing, TYIA!

Posters, please don't presume to tell us when threads should be locked unless you want to get banned drunk sheriff style, TYIA.

[BigZuck]

hey zuck, if we locked every thread that had arguing, TLS would cease to exist.

True, true. But it's the same stuff every time UCI is mentioned and I don't know what purpose it serves at this point. It's the same screaming match every time.

[Big Dog]

sure, but at least it gives Dr. Dre a reason to post.

[005618502]

Neither is worth anywhere near 150k in debt. Go work for a couple years, retake until you can get into a decent school

[anticule]

5. We don't hate UCI, we inform people when they are considering terrible decisions.

why not?

Any new law school deserves hate. The students are ok, dont get me wrong. But whoever came up with the idea needs to go fuck himself.

those that think this putrid of a law school is a sound choice can go fuck themselves too

You are officially the Sara Palin of TLS. You don't add anything the least bit constructive, and we all wish you would just. go. away.

His mother should have swallowed.

[enigmabk]

Go to UCI and smang all the oc milfs with bleached assholes, can davis top that?