Real Madrid wrote:
And, despite your arguments to the contrary, it's been the top-ranked undergraduate school in the country per US News
NO it has not.
AND being ranked highly is some crap rankings do not equate to prestige. Don't EQUIVOCATE.
Real Madrid wrote:
And, despite your arguments to the contrary, it's been the top-ranked undergraduate school in the country per US News
you are making a total ass of yourself. proceed.Dr. Dre wrote:I've been to berkeley's campus.
Smells like urine, bums all over the place, and no diversity (all asian).
NO, berkeley is not prestigious
Dr. Dre wrote:Real Madrid wrote:
And, despite your arguments to the contrary, it's been the top-ranked undergraduate school in the country per US News
NO it has not.
AND being ranked highly is some crap rankings do not equate to prestige. Don't EQUIVOCATE.
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Exactly as any other thread where esteemed Dr. Dre is posting in. Correlation or causation?dixiecupdrinking wrote:This thread is a complete circle-derp.
Small nit, but "certain" is nearly all, as in Cal has as many top-ranked grad programs as Harvard. (Count 'em.)I agree, Berkeley's reputation rests on CERTAIN graduate programs.
Big Dog wrote:Harvard is not known for its undergrad teaching either.
The Brainalist wrote:
Honestly, if I want to network with Berkeley grads from the liberal arts college, I just have to go to the Ross or the local Target and ask for help from a sales clerk.
I have always wondered what happens to the bottom of the barrel Ivy undergrad graduates. How much their school names carry them.Dr. Dre wrote:The Brainalist wrote:
Honestly, if I want to network with Berkeley grads from the liberal arts college, I just have to go to the Ross or the local Target and ask for help from a sales clerk.
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I have always wondered what happens to the bottom of the barrel Ivy undergrad graduates. How much their school names carry them.
Lol all my friends from HS took Berkeley or UCLA over Cornell. The one guy in my year who went to Cornell had been rejected st Cal.The Brainalist wrote:Being from California, I tend to agree with Dre. Everyone knows it is a hard school to get into, but so are UCLA, UCSD, and USC. For UG, these are pretty interchangeable. At the end of the day, its pretty much another UC, and people would choose UCSD just as often as Berkeley just based on location. And for UG, the outcomes would be pretty much identical. Its not like you network with rich kids or people from elite private highschools and make these connections at Berkeley that you wouldn't at UCSD. It isn't at all like going to an Ivy League school for undergrad, or a private liberal arts college like Colgate. You don't even make the connections you'd make at USC or the Claremont-McKenna colleges. It is a giant public school, with a lot of CA public high school grads and a ton of junior college transfers. But, for its accessibility at that level, I can't really put it in the same class as private schools.
Honestly, if I want to network with Berkeley grads from the liberal arts college, I just have to go to the Ross or the local Target and ask for help from a sales clerk. That just isn't anywhere near as likely for an Ivy League grad, at least in my perception. I mean, If someone had a choice between Berkeley UG and Cornell UG, I would think the person was crazy to even think of Berkeley at the same price.
That being said, it is still a nice name to have on the resume. Great branding. Great school, just never going to compare to an Ivy League or a top private.
The graduate population isn't really enough to change general perception in California, because that is a much smaller group. However, most of the things that differentiate the school from top private schools as a whole matter less for the grad schools, which are so small and selective that you'd finally end up in classes with the same people who went to Colgate or Brown for UG.
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Source, please?there is a high probability that they come from wealthy backgrounds
Golden Bear 11 wrote:FACTS about Berkeley:
#6 in highest academic reputation (undergraduate) —U.S. News and World Report (February 2013)
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In-state tuition is another thing, which is why they are a really good option, even against top private schools. I effectively made the same choice your friends did, but I'm assuming we were all in-state. I'm not from a rich family. Its not like it would have been a good choice for me to go to a private school given the financial aspects. I really appreciate the California college system, including the junior colleges. What they offer, in terms of opportunity, is nothing less than amazing, and I'm grateful for it. However, the grad schools are essentially charging private school prices. The thing is, once they stop representing access and opportunity, they stop being public in my mind, and so a lot of the goodwill goes out the window.jbagelboy wrote:
Lol all my friends from HS took Berkeley or UCLA over Cornell. The one guy in my year who went to Cornell had been rejected st Cal.
I agree with you about private connections being much better from the claremont colleges with Pomona and then CMC a step ahead (claremont mckenna or cmc is just one of 5, they arent all the claremont mckenna colleges fyi...)
Colgate isnt very prestigious and probably doesnt get a lot of andover/exeter kids. Strange example for you to pick over williams/pomona/swarthmore ect.
I can personally attest that the Ivy name doesn't get you very far if you're otherwise a dumb dumb. I know PLENTY of people who I graduated with who had poor grades and ended up at far inferior grad programs relative to the UG's prestige or in just sort of dead end work. Maybe I just associated with the underclass of my school but I'm the only person in our group who's grad work was in roughly the same tier as our undergrad.bizzybone1313 wrote:I have always wondered what happens to the bottom of the barrel Ivy undergrad graduates. How much their school names carry them.Dr. Dre wrote:The Brainalist wrote:
Honestly, if I want to network with Berkeley grads from the liberal arts college, I just have to go to the Ross or the local Target and ask for help from a sales clerk.
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+1dawyzest1 wrote: One of the first things I learned after college was that no one you work with gives a sh*t where you went to college.
jbagelboy wrote:+1dawyzest1 wrote: One of the first things I learned after college was that no one you work with gives a sh*t where you went to college.
helps you get in the door at many jobs but after that its the quality of your work product that counts.
people still occasionally say 'oh wow' or give an impressed/bemused face at dinner parties or the supermarket but other then that it has little impact
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Prestige is by its very definition "subjective," dolt. Which is why your posting in this thread is so hilariously ironic. On the one hand, you're arguing (without any factual support) that people in California and on the East Coast in general don't recognize Berkeley as being prestigious while presenting your own uninformed views on school prestige, and on the other hand, you balk at the idea of accepting "prestige rankings" as created by respected publications, claiming they're all "subjective."Dr. Dre wrote:Golden Bear 11 wrote:FACTS about Berkeley:
#6 in highest academic reputation (undergraduate) —U.S. News and World Report (February 2013)
LOL no one cares about this fact BECAUSE it is PURELY subjective
http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/c ... -officials
+1, so, if Dre thinks Berkeley is middling or worse that's his business and by definition he can't be wrong. But, there's no doubt that the crowd has great respect for Berkeley and I include myself in that.Real Madrid wrote: Prestige is by its very definition "subjective,"
I agree with jbagelboy. I've lived and worked in Europe (London, Paris, Zurich) for the past 4 years and Columbia has far more recognition than Berkeley does...jbagelboy wrote:I know OPs stated interest is in Asia, so this is beside the point, but I would say "meh" to the question of European perspective. CLS definitely has a more europe-centric international program than Berkeley with many more opportunities in that theater. Attorneys I spoke to at a huge IP firm in Hamburg and my friends family at capgemeni in Paris said go to columbia if you cant go to stanford or harvard and want to work in continental europe. Moot point anywaycebuboy wrote:jbagelboy wrote:
+1 to all of this. Berkeley is arguably just as prestigious a university as Columbia worldwide. It has more top ranked programs than Columbia University. Even if your strictly talking about lay prestige, Berkeley is more well known as a research institution and more highly regarded in many parts of the world
Even in Europe, specifically in the UK, the Berkeley brand name carries more weight than the Columbia name, both in the academia and business community.
I'm actually from Europe, and I disagree. I think it's the other way around. That goes to show different people have different views. The point IMO is that the difference in prestige in Europe, if any, is minor and doesn't cut clearly either way.joiedevivre18 wrote:I agree with jbagelboy. I've lived and worked in Europe (London, Paris, Zurich) for the past 4 years and Columbia has far more recognition than Berkeley does...jbagelboy wrote:I know OPs stated interest is in Asia, so this is beside the point, but I would say "meh" to the question of European perspective. CLS definitely has a more europe-centric international program than Berkeley with many more opportunities in that theater. Attorneys I spoke to at a huge IP firm in Hamburg and my friends family at capgemeni in Paris said go to columbia if you cant go to stanford or harvard and want to work in continental europe. Moot point anywaycebuboy wrote:jbagelboy wrote:
+1 to all of this. Berkeley is arguably just as prestigious a university as Columbia worldwide. It has more top ranked programs than Columbia University. Even if your strictly talking about lay prestige, Berkeley is more well known as a research institution and more highly regarded in many parts of the world
Even in Europe, specifically in the UK, the Berkeley brand name carries more weight than the Columbia name, both in the academia and business community.
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