michwolv wrote:This is crazy. The amount of hate Michigan's been getting lately is completely unfounded. I'm a 3L here, and I'll just say you should take clowns like this with a grain of salt.
It is really not hard to get a good job from Michigan, despite what people on this stupid website say. Random posters make proclamations like "you have to be top-33% to have a fighting chance in California from Michigan" or "median is going to really struggle" while having no idea what the hell they are talking about. People at the very, very bottom of the class are finding high-paying firm jobs in secondary markets they have never even been to, or good DA fellowships in competitive markets. I have friends well-below median who have received offers from top Detroit firms and market-paying firms in California without ever having visited. A non-negligible number of below-median students receive Article III clerkships, even if not in their first-choice cities. Median students get jobs in DC, and just about ANYBODY can get a firm job in NYC if they are really set on it. Of course, if you are at the top of the class, you can do go do just about whatever the hell you want. Last year, Michigan placed more students in the mythical DOJ SLIP and Honors programs than any other school.
People so often fail to appreciate self-selection when looking at stats like the ones above. I know several people with very high grades who just didn't participate in OCI because that's just not what they want to do. They will be clerking in... STATE court next year because that's the track they need to take to get their dream jobs. That's several students on your unemployed chart. Many more are pursuing dual-degrees (significantly more than at peer schools, from the numbers I have seen), either in hopes of entering academia or a niche field or a different profession altogether. These students count as "not working" in the LST numbers above. The EIC of the law review decided they would rather work for a top consulting firm. That registers under "business" in the under-employed graph.
Michigan is a great school, and whatever you decide you want to do, it will give you a great shot at getting there. Penn is a great school also, and you shouldn't read this to take anything away from them. My friends there have very good things to say. But apart from the top three schools (and Columbia and NYU for New York City biglaw only), Michigan will give you as good a chance as ANY place else to get the career you want.
Its crazy how much you guys read into slight differences in percentages between Duke and Michigan when you write off the difference between UVA and Y's LST. I understand why you do so but let's use our top analytical minds here and factor in some relevant anecdotes here like: Mich's huge pi-interested student body or Duke and Penn's disproportionate self-selection into nyc biglaw. Mich is still Mich and will always be, even if its LST is 3 points lower than Duke's.
eta to clarify, my point with the yale/uva thing is that you use some assumptions to make their lsts make sense. why must you only use this assumptions in extreme cases? can you not use them to a smaller degree in mich/duke/penn's case?