Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo Forum
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Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
I can't choose between the money or the prestige. I would have to take out loans for all law school expenses. Im unsure what I want to do with my JD. I want to work in NY but I'm not opposed to Boston. I have a 3.8 GPA and a 164 LSAT.
St. Johns: Full Tuition Scholarship
Cardozo: $30,000 p/yr
Fordham/BC: No scholarship. sticker price
Stipulations for scholarships range from top half of class for St. Johns and maintain 3.0 for Cardozo
St. Johns: Full Tuition Scholarship
Cardozo: $30,000 p/yr
Fordham/BC: No scholarship. sticker price
Stipulations for scholarships range from top half of class for St. Johns and maintain 3.0 for Cardozo
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
Retake the LSAT, get better options. No law school has prestige.
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
Rankings for what you should do: (Higher rank = more prestigous decision)
1. Retake the LSAT
2. Retake the LSAT
3. Retake the LSAT
4. Retake the LSAT
5. Retake the LSAT
6. Retake the LSAT
7. Get the stipulation removed at SJU and attend there
8. Cardozo after getting the stipulation removed
9. Fordham/BC at sticker
1. Retake the LSAT
2. Retake the LSAT
3. Retake the LSAT
4. Retake the LSAT
5. Retake the LSAT
6. Retake the LSAT
7. Get the stipulation removed at SJU and attend there
8. Cardozo after getting the stipulation removed
9. Fordham/BC at sticker
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
which one has the prestige?
oh, and none of em are worth that much. Study up and retake.
oh, and none of em are worth that much. Study up and retake.
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
Especially these.Nelson wrote:Retake the LSAT, have better options. No law school has prestige.
These are poor options OP. Retake/reapply.
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
Do not waste that great GPA on these miserable options.
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
ok well if retaking the lsat is not an option and lets say none have prestige but some are clearly better than others. any help now?
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
None of these law schools are prestigious.
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don't go. Maybe if u get the stip removed and you already own a house nearby so u wont have to pay rent, st johns if ur ok with a 51% chance of not getting any kind of legal job. But srsly, don't do it. U have a solid gpa, work for a year, improve your lsat and you'll have much better options.mike09 wrote:ok well if retaking the lsat is not an option and lets say none have prestige but some are clearly better than others. any help now?
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untar614 wrote:don't go.mike09 wrote:ok well if retaking the lsat is not an option and lets say none have prestige but some are clearly better than others. any help now?
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1. Retaking the LSAT is always an option. If for some reason its not, not going to law school certainly is.
2. Thats an awesome GPA. Dont waste it on these schools.
2. Thats an awesome GPA. Dont waste it on these schools.
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
Both of those stipulations make it more likely than not that you will lose your scholarship after the first year.mike09 wrote:Stipulations for scholarships range from top half of class for St. Johns and maintain 3.0 for Cardozo
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Fordham is sheer insanity at sticker, and 'Dozo is too expensive at that price. Either go to SJU and drop out if you lose your scholly, or (and this is a much, much better option) retake, score ~5 points higher the LSAT and enjoy the lower T14 with $$$.
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
mike09 wrote:I can't choose between the money or the prestige. I would have to take out loans for all law school expenses. Im unsure what I want to do with my JD. I want to work in NY but I'm not opposed to Boston. I have a 3.8 GPA and a 164 LSAT.
St. Johns: Full Tuition Scholarship
Cardozo: $30,000 p/yr
Fordham/BC: No scholarship. sticker price
Stipulations for scholarships range from top half of class for St. Johns and maintain 3.0 for Cardozo
Well, this story almost never ends well.mike09 wrote:ok well if retaking the lsat is not an option and lets say none have prestige but some are clearly better than others. any help now?
Listen brother, I know the advice seems harsh, but retake/reapply or don't go. If you absolutely must, get stips removed & go to St. Johns. It's nothing on you, but those are not good options.
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What the fuck?Nelson wrote:No law school has prestige.
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Ti Malice wrote:untar614 wrote:don't go.mike09 wrote:ok well if retaking the lsat is not an option and lets say none have prestige but some are clearly better than others. any help now?
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I know this has probably been a discouraging thread for you, but I think that you should take a good hard look at the data and understand that all the comments telling you to retake the LSAT really have been made with your best interests in mind.
Before I get into anything else, I think you should definitely be proud of having been accepted to some good law schools that are by no means easy to gain entry to. Lots of people want to go, and it's fantastic that you have options and that you even have opportunities to get a degree on full scholarship. That said, the current economic climate and the headwinds that the legal profession will see over the next couple of decades have rendered even schools like BC worse than a gamble at the tuition rate you will be paying. BC is going to charge you the same rate as Yale, Harvard etc., but only about 41% of their graduates got meaningful legal employment according to the most recent data. You can see the score report here: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=bc.
St. John's is worse, and it poses a real problem even at a full ride. If you get the degree and can't find legal employment, employers outside of the law are going to question why you would want to work for them if you have a law degree, because they might not be aware of how difficult the market is for lawyers now. If you have alternatives, you should strongly consider not going at all or retaking the LSAT and going somewhere better. A couple points higher and the BC acceptance could become a BC acceptance with full scholarship.
Before I get into anything else, I think you should definitely be proud of having been accepted to some good law schools that are by no means easy to gain entry to. Lots of people want to go, and it's fantastic that you have options and that you even have opportunities to get a degree on full scholarship. That said, the current economic climate and the headwinds that the legal profession will see over the next couple of decades have rendered even schools like BC worse than a gamble at the tuition rate you will be paying. BC is going to charge you the same rate as Yale, Harvard etc., but only about 41% of their graduates got meaningful legal employment according to the most recent data. You can see the score report here: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=bc.
St. John's is worse, and it poses a real problem even at a full ride. If you get the degree and can't find legal employment, employers outside of the law are going to question why you would want to work for them if you have a law degree, because they might not be aware of how difficult the market is for lawyers now. If you have alternatives, you should strongly consider not going at all or retaking the LSAT and going somewhere better. A couple points higher and the BC acceptance could become a BC acceptance with full scholarship.
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Re: Help: Cant choose money or prestige SJU/Fordham/BC/Cardozo
Obviously he (or she) meant that none of the choices the OP listed are considered prestigious. Of course Yale is prestigious.UtilityMonster wrote:What the fuck?Nelson wrote:No law school has prestige.
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I hope this is what was meant. Many law schools are prestigious.cinephile wrote:Obviously he (or she) meant that none of the choices the OP listed are considered prestigious. Of course Yale is prestigious.UtilityMonster wrote:What the fuck?Nelson wrote:No law school has prestige.
Even Boston College is arguably "prestigious" in a relative sense. I mean, this website is incredibly skewed towards the top, but to a large segment of the population in New England, a JD from BC would be considered an elite credential
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Go to Cardozo. Every partner I spoke to said they will hire from this school.
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Well that solves that! Go ahead and lock this thread mods. Take froglee's word for it, OP.froglee wrote:Go to Cardozo. Every partner I spoke to said they will hire from this school.
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Can't tell if he's trolling or hilariously uninformed.Mal Reynolds wrote:Well that solves that! Go ahead and lock this thread mods. Take froglee's word for it, OP.froglee wrote:Go to Cardozo. Every partner I spoke to said they will hire from this school.
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You are amazing at what you do.froglee wrote:Go to Cardozo. Every partner I spoke to said they will hire from this school.
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Maybe if you finish in the top 5-10%.froglee wrote:Go to Cardozo. Every partner I spoke to said they will hire from this school.
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which means?sinfiery wrote:You are amazing at what you do.froglee wrote:Go to Cardozo. Every partner I spoke to said they will hire from this school.
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