UGA vs. Wake vs. Miami/UF/Maryland/OSU

(Rankings, Profiles, Tuition, Student Life, . . . )
brp1056
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:49 pm

UGA vs. Wake vs. Miami/UF/Maryland/OSU

Postby brp1056 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:26 pm

Ok, guys I've narrowed it down to UGA (in-state + 5k discount=12k) or Wake (at a 23k discount=16k). Miami (32k discount=8k), in-state at UF too but it's sticker 21k, no discount.) I'm below medians but have interesting background, proficient with work experience in 4 languages (teaching and some admin work) and an ivy grad with Asia exp. LSAT low 160s. I want to do corporate council for Delta or do int'l work or teach which I can do at a regional school in the Southeast from any of these schools. I'm just curious whether I should take Miami's bait at a discount or be more conservative and go with Wake or UGA (Athens can't be beat.) I'm feeling more attracted to Wake lately because it's nice and NC is growing but I'm gay so all these Southern Christians make me wonder if I am scouting in the wrong region sometimes. That being said, my family's here, and I'm WL at Georgetown and Emory and still waiting on Vanderbilt. (Penning them a LOCI now.)

So, basically, should I deposit at UGA or Wake? Or should I pay 10k more for MD+cost of living because it's closer to DC and whatever that might offer?

gregfootball2001
Posts: 319
Joined: Tue Oct 25, 2011 8:35 am

Re: UGA vs. Wake vs. Miami/UF/Maryland/OSU

Postby gregfootball2001 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:32 pm

Where do you want to practice?

User avatar
hephaestus
Posts: 2385
Joined: Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:21 pm

Re: UGA vs. Wake vs. Miami/UF/Maryland/OSU

Postby hephaestus » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:36 pm

Post numbers for total cost of attendance after COL and interest.

User avatar
dawyzest1
Posts: 233
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:39 am

Re: UGA vs. Wake vs. Miami/UF/Maryland/OSU

Postby dawyzest1 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:14 pm

brp1056 wrote:Ok, guys I've narrowed it down to UGA (in-state + 5k discount=12k) or Wake (at a 23k discount=16k). Miami (32k discount=8k), in-state at UF too but it's sticker 21k, no discount.) I'm below medians but have interesting background, proficient with work experience in 4 languages (teaching and some admin work) and an ivy grad with Asia exp. LSAT low 160s. I want to do corporate council for Delta or do int'l work or teach which I can do at a regional school in the Southeast from any of these schools. I'm just curious whether I should take Miami's bait at a discount or be more conservative and go with Wake or UGA (Athens can't be beat.) I'm feeling more attracted to Wake lately because it's nice and NC is growing but I'm gay so all these Southern Christians make me wonder if I am scouting in the wrong region sometimes. That being said, my family's here, and I'm WL at Georgetown and Emory and still waiting on Vanderbilt. (Penning them a LOCI now.)

So, basically, should I deposit at UGA or Wake? Or should I pay 10k more for MD+cost of living because it's closer to DC and whatever that might offer?


My strong vote is for UGA after you try to get them to up your scholly a little bit. If being corporate counsel is an exit goal, then getting there after biglaw work in Atlanta seems the best way. Also, Atlanta is incredibly gay friendly.

I'm not at all confident you have a good shot at your other goals from any of the schools you have listed. Very tough pathways to crack...

GMGP
Posts: 41
Joined: Sat Apr 06, 2013 2:17 pm

Re: UGA vs. Wake vs. Miami/UF/Maryland/OSU

Postby GMGP » Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:27 pm

Southern Christians will be fine. This is a cultured part North Carolina, not the backwaters of Mississippi. Also consider Miami is the ONLY school for that major market (UF and FSU are 7 hours north, closer to Atlanta). With Ivy League prestige and good grades you should be able to snag a biglaw or cushy midlaw job in Miami.

rad lulz
Posts: 9844
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:53 pm

Re: UGA vs. Wake vs. Miami/UF/Maryland/OSU

Postby rad lulz » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:05 pm

ImNoScar wrote:Post numbers for total cost of attendance after COL and interest.

This

Also where are you from

GMGP wrote:Also consider Miami is the ONLY school for that major market (UF and FSU are 7 hours north, closer to Atlanta). With Ivy League prestige and good grades you should be able to snag a biglaw or cushy midlaw job in Miami.


Yeah you need basically top of the class grades from UM (and FSU and UF), not just merely "good," so I'm not sure how much that should be in the calculus

brp1056
Posts: 5
Joined: Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:49 pm

Re: UGA vs. Wake vs. Miami/UF/Maryland/OSU

Postby brp1056 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:20 pm

gregfootball2001 wrote:Where do you want to practice?


From Florida. FL, GA and NY ties. Recently deceased father started career in Atlanta and remained member of GA Bar which by mentioning in my essay probably won me the in-state tuition equalization scholarship +5k disc. He came with NYU tax LLM to make a career there also in a lousy economy/ recession of 1971. There are federal agencies in both Atl and Mia. Slightly lower cost of living and higher quality of life prob in atlanta. Another factor (minor and wishful thinking) is that UGA has placed kids as SCOTUS clerks almost every year for the past decade (mostly with Thomas but sometimes Kennedy and once Souter, I believe) The NYTimes calls UGA #2 best deal (following #1 UT-Austin) in law ed today.

Although DC is competitive I hear, UGA, Wake, UM have done their best to show off their alumni contacts there, and trotted out all the "star" professors and talked up the work practice off term option in DC in fields that interest me such as international law of treaties, hr/environ/UN, and in'l arbitration. Would a good strategy at this point is to base a decision on faculty I'd be interested in working with? I am a pragmatic idealist and I know there are many opportunities for those who hustle and have language skills.

Since I'm gay and not a true Georgian, but internationalist with time in New England, Georgia and FL, I'm trying get a feel for lifestyle and quality-of-life factors because I don't want to commit social suicide by moving to Winston Salem or Athens... :) But they seem great for a weekend.

Miami is significantly cheaper. I was turned off Wake by the faith and football vibe and conservative Carolina bankers parents I met at accepted students weekend but when I did my own scouting, I met two nice girls from WPB and Miami on Law and Policy Journal and the OutLaw president who shared a much more realistic perspective outside the tour and talked up the curriculum and teaching quality. One of the two girls had transfered from UMiami and said the quality of instruction and number of required courses (a three-term legal writing requirement) are testament to her belief she is getting a much higher quality education at Wake than Miami.

By the way, worth a mention: a-la-Yale, U of GA doesn't give grades in all its first semester 1L classes, only in 2 out of the 5:

"The fall semester of the first year of study at Georgia Law will consist entirely of required courses: Civil Procedure I, Contracts & Sales, Criminal Law, Legal Research & Writing, and Torts. First year students will receive a fall semester final grade in Civil Procedure I and Criminal Law. Contracts & Sales, Legal Research & Writing, and Torts are year-long in length and students will receive a final grade at the end of the spring semester."

The other three do give a "practice" exam that is worth 1/3 of your final grade. It would seem this should be a major selling point, but I seem to have been the only one aware of it and raised a question about it ( to UGa's credit for being "innovative" and experimenting to some degree, I believe, and felt like I was plugging UGA for a second) but the deans seemed reluctant to discuss it since they never even brought it up. The only drawback of this might be if one were to attempt an ED transfer, but I guess profs writing recs could just estimate your grade based on Dec. exam performance even if it doesn't result in a transcript letter grade. Also 80% of the class is from GA. The profs ALL call students by Mr. or Ms. Very traditional. And you can be cold-called Socratic Method at any time. Sections are 63-68 students.

By contrast, Wake sections are capped at 45 students. Legal Writing 20-25. Students are broken into sections A,B, C, D, and notified in advance when their "team" is on call by the prof. in a watered-down Socratic Method. Are these kinder, gentler aspects of legal education worth 3k more a year? Giving up GA ties I might restore? Potentially more down-to-earth social life in Athens (an hour from Atlanta). Beautiful courtroom and campus, but could anyone speak to the presence of gay, Liberal Christian or Jewish life presence on either campus? General level of tolerance? Like bringing a guy to the Barristers' Ball at either school??

Sorry for the rant. I'm really back and forth on this Wake, Georgia or neither question... Thanks.

rad lulz
Posts: 9844
Joined: Sun Feb 19, 2012 10:53 pm

Re: UGA vs. Wake vs. Miami/UF/Maryland/OSU

Postby rad lulz » Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:27 pm

ImNoScar wrote:Post numbers for total cost of attendance after COL and interest.




Return to “Choosing a Law School”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: lawnerd87, SunDevil14 and 3 guests