NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

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Which School Is the Best Choice?

NYU with no scholarship
6
9%
Penn with no scholarship
5
8%
Duke with $75,000
28
42%
Cornell with $90,000
27
41%
 
Total votes: 66

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NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby swordking90 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:46 pm

Thanks for dropping in TLS comrades! My choices are:
NYU: $0
Penn: $0
Duke with $75K in scholly.
Cornell with $90,000 in scholly.

Ideally I want public interest/government, but is not averse to working in big law. Undergrad in the northeast, and want to stay on the East Coast long term (Boston, DC, or NY).

Please vote! (and elaborate if you wish). Thanks for your help!!!

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby dissonance1848 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:49 pm

Unless NYU or Penn give you something due to your Cornell/Duke offers,

like at least 30k, take Cornell.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby Nelson » Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:53 pm

With these choices, I wouldn't pay sticker for NYU or Penn, so pick your favorite of Duke or Cornell. You need to negotiate though since you should be able to get money from the other schools with those offers.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby NoodleyOne » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:00 pm

Duke or Cornell. CoA will be pretty much equal, so choose based on market and placement.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby Lincoln » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:09 pm

Cornell 3L here. I voted Cornell because their general job numbers look better. However, our public interest placement is not that great. Whether that's because of self-selection or not is unclear. I really have no clue if Duke is any better in that regard, but if it is, I might pick Duke over Cornell, partly because of Duke's superior clerkship placement.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby DorianGray89 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:09 pm

Quality of Life: Duke > Cornell
Employment prospects: Duke > Cornell
http://abovethelaw.com/2013/03/which-la ... lite-jobs/
Basketball: Duke > Cornell

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby DorianGray89 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:10 pm

Also:

Big Law, More or Less (Number of graduates employed in law firm / total graduates * graduates employed in law firms consisting of more than 100 lawyers, full-time, long-term)
1. Columbia University 61.4%
2. University of Pennsylvania 58.0%
3. Northwestern University 53.3%
4. Stanford University 49.5%
5. Harvard University 48.7%
6. Duke University 45.0%
7. University of Chicago 44.9%
8. New York University 43.1%
9. University of California—Berkeley 41.6%
10. Cornell University 38.8%

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby NoodleyOne » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:14 pm

DorianGray89 wrote:Also:

Big Law, More or Less (Number of graduates employed in law firm / total graduates * graduates employed in law firms consisting of more than 100 lawyers, full-time, long-term)
1. Columbia University 61.4%
2. University of Pennsylvania 58.0%
3. Northwestern University 53.3%
4. Stanford University 49.5%
5. Harvard University 48.7%
6. Duke University 45.0%
7. University of Chicago 44.9%
8. New York University 43.1%
9. University of California—Berkeley 41.6%
10. Cornell University 38.8%

Stats are old. At least use 2012 data.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby Doorkeeper » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:22 pm

Duke is worth $15k more than Cornell given their higher employment ratings.

Make sure to use the Duke scholarship to see if you can get money out of NYU or Penn.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby DorianGray89 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:23 pm

It's from the employment data in the 2014 US News World Rankings.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby Nelson » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:27 pm

What is with all of the egregious Duke trolling going on lately.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby Lincoln » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:35 pm

DorianGray89 wrote:It's from the employment data in the 2014 US News World Rankings.


Exactly. This is more accurate: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=206368

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby rickgrimes69 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:36 pm

Nelson wrote:What is with all of the egregious Duke trolling going on lately.


It's not "trolling" if it's legitimate. Duke's placement has been great, it's relatively inexpensive, and offers a high QOL.

Not sure what's up with this poll, since Duke seems to be the correct answer. Difference in scholarships will be more than mitigated by Duke's lower tuition and COL - I don't feel like doing the math, but I'll bet that at these prices, total COA is cheaper at Duke. Besides that, Duke has better placement than Cornell, higher QOL, and will place just as well into NYC / NE. Unless OP hates the South or really loves snow, there's really no reason to choose Cornell here.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby Big Dog » Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:47 pm

Not sure what's up with this poll,


want to stay on the East Coast long term (Boston, DC, or NY)


Two out of the three say, Big Red.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby ph5354a » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:03 pm

Have you tried negotiating yet with NYU or Penn with your Duke offer? If you can get anything out of NYU, it might be worth it just for their LRAP program, given your PI interest. If not, I vote Cornell.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby banjo » Thu Apr 11, 2013 2:05 pm

Voted Duke. I think Cornell's higher tuition might reduce the overall scholarship a bit.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby framboozer » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:02 pm

I think Cornell will actually cost $5K more a year in tuition anyway, so 90K at Cornell essentially equals $75K. I would say Duke is the way to go, unless you're adverse to good weather, cheap CoL and tasty tasty food, but at these numbers choose your personal favorite of the two. One thing to consider is that Duke is pretty close to an airport that will easily connect you to Boston, New York and D.C. (although the latter is drive-able). Ithaca's kind of in the middle of nowhere and that's going to suck when you do interviews at firms.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby sinfiery » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:12 pm

Cornell's OCI is in NYC though whilst I'm betting Duke's OCI is probably inside the famous CAMERON gym

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby DorianGray89 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:30 pm

sinfiery wrote:Cornell's OCI is in NYC though whilst I'm betting Duke's OCI is probably inside the famous CAMERON gym


It's actually at the Hilton in Durham. Duke doesn't have to have it's OCI in NYC in order to attract firms.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby BigZuck » Thu Apr 11, 2013 3:58 pm

I love me a solid pro-Duke troll but if we are going off this year's data I don't see how Duke is definitively>Cornell. They are peers.

As for the OP, I voted Duke.

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby moonman157 » Thu Apr 11, 2013 4:05 pm

Choose Duke or Cornell by your preference, they're peers in terms of employment (perhaps with the exception of clerkships).

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Re: NYU vs. Penn vs. Duke $$ vs. Cornell $$

Postby Lincoln » Thu Apr 11, 2013 7:51 pm

framboozer wrote:I think Cornell will actually cost $5K more a year in tuition anyway, so 90K at Cornell essentially equals $75K. I would say Duke is the way to go, unless you're adverse to good weather, cheap CoL and tasty tasty food, but at these numbers choose your personal favorite of the two. One thing to consider is that Duke is pretty close to an airport that will easily connect you to Boston, New York and D.C. (although the latter is drive-able). Ithaca's kind of in the middle of nowhere and that's going to suck when you do interviews at firms.


There's an airport in Ithaca that everyone uses when they fly out to interviews, although for NYC many prefer the Cornell bus.




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