How good is UCLA?

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yodamiked
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How good is UCLA?

Postby yodamiked » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:37 am

I'm getting near the end of my cycle, and UCLA is one of my top choices with the $$$ they offered me. I've looked into their employment numbers and national placement and they look like they do 'alright'. I'm curious what people think of their national reputation though? Holding onto an average ranking of 15th (yes I realize the rankings are next to worthless, but they do indicate, if even indirectly, some things) I would expect that they would have somewhat of a national reputation. Are they considered prestigious at all or just an alright school from Cali? Any thoughts are appreciated.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby Bronck » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:41 am

They place solidly into CA and nowhere else. It's a regional school. If your CoA is low, and you want to remain in CA, then it's a pretty solid choice.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Tue Apr 02, 2013 2:49 am

Are you asking how potential employers view it or lay prestige?

If the former, above response is correct.

If the latter, it doesn't matter. But yeah the 4 well known CA schools are a nationally recognizable name but won't mean anything in regards to getting a job. "Portability," in this economy, is a dangerous myth.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby Dr. Dre » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:09 am

Don't go to UCLA

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby rad lulz » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:00 am

lawschooltransparency.com

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby eav1277 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:46 am

Dre...are you hating on UCLA now too?

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby yodamiked » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:14 pm

John_rizzy_rawls wrote:Are you asking how potential employers view it or lay prestige?

If the former, above response is correct.

If the latter, it doesn't matter. But yeah the 4 well known CA schools are a nationally recognizable name but won't mean anything in regards to getting a job. "Portability," in this economy, is a dangerous myth.


Yeah, more curious how potential employers view a UCLA degree nationwide. In NY or Chicago, would a UCLA degree get me any preferential treatment as opposed to a lower T1? Basically what I was wondering.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby yodamiked » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:15 pm

rad lulz wrote:lawschooltransparency.com


Yeah, I've researched that site extensively. But, if you had of read my post instead of just the title, you would have realized that my question couldn't be answered by just looking at employment numbers.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby Gunnar Stahl » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:17 pm

yodamiked wrote:
rad lulz wrote:lawschooltransparency.com


Yeah, I've researched that site extensively. But, if you had of read my post instead of just the title, you would have realized that my question couldn't be answered by just looking at employment numbers.

Sure it can:

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school= ... b=location

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby bruinfan10 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:21 pm

I turned down a full ride from UCLA and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. My little brother is choosing a law school right now, and if he doesn't get money from a T13, I'm going to beg him not to go, if that means anything to you. UCLA affords little in the way of a safety net if you don't attain a high class rank + LR, it's certainly not nationally portable. Hell, I don't even think I'd want to take a UCLA JD up to the bay given the competition from Boalt and Stanford (and the insane selectivity). So if you want to work smallgov in LA or want to roll the dice and hope for a high class rank and LA biglaw, maybe you'll be ok. But like I said, if my little brother was in this position, I'd tell him not to go.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby yodamiked » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:25 pm

bruinfan10 wrote:I turned down a full ride from UCLA and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. My little brother is choosing a law school right now, and if he doesn't get money from a T13, I'm going to beg him not to go, if that means anything to you. UCLA affords little in the way of a safety net if you don't attain a high class rank + LR, it's not nationally portable, hell, I don't even think I'd want to take a UCLA JD up to the bay given the competition from Boalt and Stanford (and the insane selectivity). So if you want to work smallgov in LA or want to roll the dice and hope for a high class rank and LA biglaw, maybe you'll be ok. But like I said, if my little brother was in this position, I'd tell him not to go.


Do you mind if I ask where you chose instead? I'm not set on big law....I'd put in my time if I needed to, but I'm more interested in mid-sized firms. Not familiar with the legal market in Cali, though I hear it's rough right now.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby bruinfan10 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:34 pm

yodamiked wrote:Do you mind if I ask where you chose instead? I'm not set on big law....I'd put in my time if I needed to, but I'm more interested in mid-sized firms. Not familiar with the legal market in Cali, though I hear it's rough right now.

I took a half-ride to Michigan instead (I negotiated all my merit-based offers up until the eleventh hour of my cycle). Better national reputation, better access to NY (the biggest legal market), good ties to SF and LA, but still a gamble. A half-ride to a T13 was the break even point of my risk calculation, and thankfully it paid off for me. You'll have to make your own determination as to your appropriate level of risk, but like I said, your options coming out of UCLA are pretty bleak. If you want LA public defender or prosecutor, maybe serious money at UCLA wouldn't be a waste of time (although with hiring freezes and, believe it or not, heavy competition from Southwestern, given that those offices don't care in the least about "prestige," that's no sure thing). I can't really speak to this "midlaw" market you seem to think exists - from what I've heard it's pretty much a myth - but others on this board are more in tune with that game. I will say this though: I don't think people at median at UCLA have the luxury of saying "oh I'll just turn to midlaw, make 80k a year, no worries that I couldn't land biglaw." The bimodal salary curve is a bitch.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby ManoftheHour » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:40 pm

Dr. Dre wrote:Don't go to UCLA


Dre's not hating on UCLA specifically. He just believes, in general, that CA is TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT and that groceries here are TTTToo expensive.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby Dr. Dre » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:00 pm

bruinfan10 wrote:I turned down a full ride from UCLA and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. My little brother is choosing a law school right now, and if he doesn't get money from a T13, I'm going to beg him not to go, if that means anything to you. UCLA affords little in the way of a safety net if you don't attain a high class rank + LR, it's certainly not nationally portable. Hell, I don't even think I'd want to take a UCLA JD up to the bay given the competition from Boalt and Stanford (and the insane selectivity). So if you want to work smallgov in LA or want to roll the dice and hope for a high class rank and LA biglaw, maybe you'll be ok. But like I said, if my little brother was in this position, I'd tell him not to go.



and this is coming from someone who is a Bruin Fan. So you know UCLA law is bad.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby Winston1984 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:12 pm

Obviously not much of a national reputation, but I would say better than an "alright" school. Their employment numbers don't compare to the T14, but they are much better than most schools in the country. I wouldn't attend unless you know you want to remain in CA.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby bruinfan10 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 10:31 pm

Dr. Dre wrote:
bruinfan10 wrote:I turned down a full ride from UCLA and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. My little brother is choosing a law school right now, and if he doesn't get money from a T13, I'm going to beg him not to go, if that means anything to you.

and this is coming from someone who is a Bruin Fan. So you know UCLA law is bad.

Breaks my heart to say it. But the same advice applies to UT-Austin, Vandy, Georgetown, etc, so I feel a little better.

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby DoveBodyWash » Fri Apr 05, 2013 11:17 am

Winston1984 wrote:Obviously not much of a national reputation, but I would say better than an "alright" school. Their employment numbers don't compare to the T14, but they are much better than most schools in the country. I wouldn't attend unless you know you want to remain in CA.


+1

Are you from Cali? Do you have ties anywhere else? I can sympathize with your frustration because it's hard to tell the difference between self-selection and national portability (or lack of it) when it comes to looking at geographic placement on LST. But I think it's fair to assume that if you go to UCLA and want to go elsewhere (with or without ties), you should expect to do almost all of the legwork yourself. I doubt that their CSO can help you outside of the cali market since that's where most of the alumni are going to be. FWIW I have a mixed bag of acquaintances in LA BigLaw (family friends...older friends...etc..) and they generally told me not to go to USC or UCLA unless i was positive that I wanted to stay in Socal
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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby froglee » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:22 pm

UCLA is arguably a trap school too...so don't go...

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby Dr. Dre » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:25 pm

froglee wrote:UCLA is arguably a trap school too...so don't go...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piVnArp9ZE0

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Re: How good is UCLA?

Postby hephaestus » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:48 pm

135k off sticker is a good enough price if you are from CA and not set on big law.




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