USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

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USC vs. IUB

USC $90,000
18
69%
IU-Bloomington $75,000
8
31%
 
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USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby js25 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:19 am

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby Bronck » Sun Mar 31, 2013 4:45 am

Neither choice is good for Chicago big law.

If big law, regardless of location, is your primary goal, then USC is the clear choice. Nevertheless, my guess is that USC would still put you into anywhere from $150-200k in "debt" upon graduation (yes, I know you said that you have savings that can cover tuition, but I think you can find a much better way to spend $100-150k...). I wouldn't take that gamble. The latest data for USC (c/o 2012) has it at around ~35% for firms size 100+ and fed clerkships.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby K Rock » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:52 am

I think you need to decide what is more important to you: Biglaw or location. Where does your wife want to end up long term? Your chances at biglaw are double from USC (30% > 15%) but obviously IUB will place much better in the midwest.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby hephaestus » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:06 am

IU-B seems like the only acceptable choice, especially since your SO can pay CoL.
However, 111/204 got full time jobs that required a JD. What is your contingency if you go and don't become a lawyer? 28/204 got big law. That makes your odds incredibly unlikely. I'd also wager that most of those big law jobs are IN/other secondary market jobs and not Chicago ones.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby BigZuck » Sun Mar 31, 2013 8:49 pm

Neither will get you what you want. Retake and go to NU.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby js25 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:18 pm

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby BigZuck » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:31 pm

Gun to my head? I would go to USC.

But no gun to my head I would either not go to law school or do what I had to to get to a school that could get me Chicago.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby Law Sauce » Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:46 pm

Can't she defer and you retake? It may mean the difference of a biglaw job v. not ever breaking into one. What are your numbers?

I voted IU, because it is a great option for your wife, but its not a great option for you. A retake and ED to NU should be in order.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby ATR » Sun Mar 31, 2013 10:43 pm

Do you even have ties to Chicago? It'll be hard getting biglaw from either school without them. In your situation, I'd go to USC (assuming you won't retake).

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby js25 » Mon Apr 01, 2013 6:35 am

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby js25 » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:57 pm

Anyone else have any advice to add?
I've actually been a long-time lurker on TLS, and the advice given here is very much appreciated!

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby dissonance1848 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:13 am

I am sorry, but neither of these options are acceptable (at least for Chicago).

I know you hate to hear it, but you need to retake, and reapply. I should think you can snag NU, maybe Chicago with a retake.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby js25 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:20 am

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby dissonance1848 » Sat Apr 06, 2013 12:47 am

Your relatives are dead on. You cannot predict 1L grades, must assume median as rational conditional for attending. Is NU sticker worth it over USC? If you want Chicago, then its the only game in town (or Chicago). If you only want Biglaw, then USC is a possibility, albeit with attendant risks.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby somewhatwayward » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:00 pm

Putting your goal of Chicago aside for a second, you should retake simply because these schools aren't going to give you a good shot at big law. Somewhere in here you said essentially 'I'll just get a NLJ250 job in CA and then transfer after a few years'....it is not that easy to get an NLJ250 job, forget about making sure it is with a firm that has a Chicago office, is open to transfers, that you make it long enough at the firm to be in a position to transfer, etc. It is a pretty big assumption to assume big law from USC, and it doesn't seem like you're factoring that into your decision. With a 90K scholarship to USC, you will still owe like 100K+ putting you in a tight spot if you don't get big law. IU-B is barely placing half its grads into legal jobs. I can't imagine that being a good choice without a full ride.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby TheZoid » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:38 pm

js25 wrote:
dissonance1848 wrote:I am sorry, but neither of these options are acceptable (at least for Chicago).

I know you hate to hear it, but you need to retake, and reapply. I should think you can snag NU, maybe Chicago with a retake.


Let's just say I get in at NU, but don't get much money...
Would it still be worth it to go to NU at sticker over 90K at USC?

Thanks so much for all your advice guys. TLS is a gold mine. I just have a week to go to make the decision so your advice is very much appreciated.

Also: I just got an email from relatives who work in big law firms in Chicago and they said that with Indiana, you'd have to be top 10% for sure to be considered. Is that too much of a risk? I'm assuming at USC it's top 1/3 for biglaw, albeit it being in LA. Not that I don't like my chances, but I hear that class rank can be unpredictable (especially top 10%).


You shouldn't like your chances of top 10%. It's about 10%. Going to IU-B for Chicago big law is sublime idiocy.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby Elston Gunn » Sat Apr 06, 2013 11:51 pm

No one should go to IU-B except for free. It's so overrated by USNWR it's unbelievable. Retake, let your wife go to IU-B, and either go to IU-B for BIG money (which means at absolutely max $100K loans at graduation) or go to a nearby-ish school that will give you an actual shot at biglaw.

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Re: USC $$ vs IU-Bloomington $$ for biglaw (Chicago long-term)

Postby jbagelboy » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:32 am

I don't think its fair to say you can't get a great job out of USC. they have a stellar network, great career services center, and they won't give up on their alumns. USC is highly respected in LA and its grads do well there. This doesn't at all equate to a "biglaw" job though, more likely a boutique LA firm or a mid-range CA firm with strong regional ties and a respectable salary floor. Obviously this shoots your Chicago dreams down on sight.

Indiana, conversely, gives you a marginal chance at a law job in chicago, and a much greater chance of unemployment or underemployment than usc. Much greater risk.

As for "retaking" that's a personal decision outside the scope of this thread. However, I must ask: assuming USC COA minimum $70,000 - $30,000 scholarship = at least $135,000 over three years w/ interest, and you are betting on only $50K of debt, you must have a nearly six figure savings account. How did you earn that?? and why quit whatever you are doing that generated it to blow all of it on LS? These are real questions




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