Class of 2012 Employment Statistics (new LST Score Reports) Forum

[Gunnar Stahl]

lol detroit mercy lol

[Tier2Allstar]

St. Thomas - MN... prolly not placing 60% in Cali

Just an FYI

[lhanvt13]

late to the party. HOORAH

[hephaestus]

Oh my goodness. The University of La Verne's enrollment went from 166 1Ls to 44 in two years.

[helix23]

LST is great. Thank you.

[rad lulz]

LST is great. Thank you.

ALL HAIL LST

[04102014]

How about UCI's federal clerkship rate? 28.6%? Say whaaaaat?

[Justin Genious]

Studying it like I did asses in college. Many thanks to you and your team's hard work; it has been THE most valuable tool I've used in researching law schools.

[rad lulz]

How about UCI's federal clerkship rate? 28.6%? Say whaaaaat?

16 of 56 grads dood

They are not gonna stay at 56 grads

[04102014]

How about UCI's federal clerkship rate? 28.6%? Say whaaaaat?

16 of 56 grads dood

They are not gonna stay at 56 grads

Still an impressive relative rate.

[A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A]

thanks

[bowser]

How about UCI's federal clerkship rate? 28.6%? Say whaaaaat?

16 of 56 grads dood

They are not gonna stay at 56 grads

Still an impressive relative rate.

Didn't their first year class have tuition waved or something? Also, apparently the school pulled on every connection it had to get people jobs.

[jenesaislaw]

St. Thomas - MN... prolly not placing 60% in Cali

Just an FYI

Thank you for pointing this out. UNLV, St Thomas - MN, and La Verne's profiles (2012 employment data only) got switched up some how. Should be fixed now.

[Crowing]

Vandy c/o 2012 looks down a bit - bit worrisome when almost all other top schools rebounded quite a bit.

[99.9luft]

How about UCI's federal clerkship rate? 28.6%? Say whaaaaat?

16 of 56 grads dood

They are not gonna stay at 56 grads

Still an impressive relative rate.

Didn't their first year class have tuition waved or something? Also, apparently the school pulled on every connection it had to get people jobs.

ain't nothin' wrong with that. Actually, more schools should do just that.

[rad lulz]

Vandy c/o 2012 looks down a bit - bit worrisome when almost all other top schools rebounded quite a bit.

FT/LT/BPR and Fed+AIII are both down

If you are a prospective student, email and ask why. See what they say.

[Crowing]

Also wondering since employed + underemployed + unknown don't add up to 100, what is the rest?

[jenesaislaw]

Also wondering since employed + underemployed + unknown don't add up to 100, what is the rest?

* LT, FT J.D. Advantage
* LT, FT Professional
* LT, FT Solo Practice

If you're on the state report's main page, click a school's row and there's a pie chart that shows the breakdown.

[jenesaislaw]

Updated OP:

According to class of 2012 data from 200 law schools:

Full-time, Long-Term Legal Jobs:

• These jobs:
  • require bar passage or are judicial clerkships; and
  • are for at least 35 hours per week and have an expected duration of at least one year.
  The national full-time, long-term legal rate is 56.2%.
  • At 66 law schools (33.0%), less than 50% of graduates had these legal jobs.
  • 26 schools (13.0%) had less than 40%
  • 11 schools (5.5%) had less than 33%
• 95 schools (47.5%) exceeded the national rate of 56.2%.
  • 50 schools (25.0%) had more than 66%
  • 20 schools (10.0%) had more than 75%
  • 6 schools (3.0%) had more than 90%
• The national full-time, long-term legal rate (less school-funded jobs) is 55.1%.
  • Excluding school-funded jobs mostly only helped schools at the top end.
  • Five of the six schools over 90% drop below that threshold; two of those five drop below 80%.

Underemployed or Not Employed:

• A graduate counts as underemployed when he or she in a non-professional job or employed in a short-term or part-time job.
• A graduate counts as not employed when he or she is unemployed or pursuing an additional advanced degree.
• The national rate is 27.7%.
• 187 schools (93.5%) reported a rate greater than 10%.
  • 153 schools (76.5%) had more than 20%
  • 111 schools (56.0%) had more than 25%
  • 58 schools (29.0%) had more than 33%
  • 27 schools (13.6%) had more than 40%
  • 8 schools (4%) had more than 50%
  • 24 schools had more underemployed and non-employed graduates than graduates employed in long-term, full-time legal jobs.

Large Firms (at least 101 attorneys):

• 12.2% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions
  • Graduates seek these jobs in part because they’re the jobs that tend to pay the highest salaries.
  • Note that not all of these jobs are associate positions. An unknown number are paralegals, administrators, and staff attorneys.
• At only 51 schools (25.5%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
  • 27 schools (13.5%)had more than 20%
  • 14 schools (7.0%) had more than 33%
  • 8 (4.0%) schools had more than 50%

[rad lulz]

Updated OP:

According to class of 2012 data from 199 law schools:

Full-time, Long-Term Legal Jobs:

• These jobs:
  • require bar passage or are judicial clerkships; and
  • are for at least 35 hours per week and have an expected duration of at least one year.
  The national full-time, long-term legal rate is 56.3%.
  • At 65 law schools (32.7%), less than 50% of graduates had these legal jobs.
  • 26 schools (15.2%) had less than 40%
  • 11 schools (5.5%) had less than 33%
• 95 schools (47.7%) exceeded the national rate of 56.3%.
  • 50 schools (25.1%) had more than 66%
  • 20 schools (10.1%) had more than 75%
  • 6 schools (3.0%) had more than 90%
• The national full-time, long-term legal rate (less school-funded jobs) is 55.2%.
  • Excluding school-funded jobs mostly only helped schools at the top end.
  • Five of the six schools over 90% drop below that threshold; two of those five drop below 80%.

Underemployed or Not Employed:

• A graduate counts as underemployed when he or she in a non-professional job or employed in a short-term or part-time job.
• A graduate counts as not employed when he or she is unemployed or pursuing an additional advanced degree.
• The national rate is 27.7%.
• 186 schools (93.5%) reported a rate greater than 10%.
  • 152 schools (76.4%) had more than 20%
  • 111 schools (55.8%) had more than 25%
  • 58 schools (29.1%) had more than 33%
  • 27 schools (13.6%) had more than 40%
  • 8 schools (4%) had more than 50%
  • 24 schools had more underemployed and non-employed graduates than graduates employed in long-term, full-time legal jobs.

Large Firms (at least 101 attorneys):

• 12.2% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions
  • Graduates seek these jobs in part because they’re the jobs that tend to pay the highest salaries.
  • Note that not all of these jobs are associate positions. An unknown number are paralegals, administrators, and staff attorneys.
• At only 51 schools (25.6%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
  • 27 schools (13.6%)had more than 20%
  • 14 schools (7.0%) had more than 33%
  • 8 schools were over 50%

ALL HAIL

Are solos included in FT/LT/BPR for the purposes of the 56%?

[Crowing]

Updated OP:

According to class of 2012 data from 199 law schools:

Full-time, Long-Term Legal Jobs:

• These jobs:
  • require bar passage or are judicial clerkships; and
  • are for at least 35 hours per week and have an expected duration of at least one year.
  The national full-time, long-term legal rate is 56.3%.
  • At 65 law schools (32.7%), less than 50% of graduates had these legal jobs.
  • 26 schools (15.2%) had less than 40%
  • 11 schools (5.5%) had less than 33%
• 95 schools (47.7%) exceeded the national rate of 56.3%.
  • 50 schools (25.1%) had more than 66%
  • 20 schools (10.1%) had more than 75%
  • 6 schools (3.0%) had more than 90%
• The national full-time, long-term legal rate (less school-funded jobs) is 55.2%.
  • Excluding school-funded jobs mostly only helped schools at the top end.
  • Five of the six schools over 90% drop below that threshold; two of those five drop below 80%.

Underemployed or Not Employed:

• A graduate counts as underemployed when he or she in a non-professional job or employed in a short-term or part-time job.
• A graduate counts as not employed when he or she is unemployed or pursuing an additional advanced degree.
• The national rate is 27.7%.
• 186 schools (93.5%) reported a rate greater than 10%.
  • 152 schools (76.4%) had more than 20%
  • 111 schools (55.8%) had more than 25%
  • 58 schools (29.1%) had more than 33%
  • 27 schools (13.6%) had more than 40%
  • 8 schools (4%) had more than 50%
  • 24 schools had more underemployed and non-employed graduates than graduates employed in long-term, full-time legal jobs.

Large Firms (at least 101 attorneys):

• 12.2% of graduates were employed at large firms in full-time, long-term positions
  • Graduates seek these jobs in part because they’re the jobs that tend to pay the highest salaries.
  • Note that not all of these jobs are associate positions. An unknown number are paralegals, administrators, and staff attorneys.
• At only 51 schools (25.6%) were more than 10% in these jobs.
  • 27 schools (13.6%)had more than 20%
  • 14 schools (7.0%) had more than 33%
  • 8 schools were over 50%

Thank you! Is there also a similar breakdown for the c/o 2011 available?

[jenesaislaw]

Are solos included in FT/LT/BPR for the purposes of the 56%?

Yes, 906 of them, so you can reduce the 56% to 54%.

Thank you! Is there also a similar breakdown for the c/o 2011 available?

Yes, but it is not completely comparable. Close enough though: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 5#p5589670

[jenesaislaw]

ABA added Southern's data. I've updated the national statistics. Adding the data to the Score Reports now.

Edit: added Southern to LST's database.

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