Re: Class of 2012 Employment Statistics (new LST Score Reports)
Posted: Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:43 am
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The answer is:TheNextAmendment wrote:Can somebody please intelligently explain what school funded jobs really are? They are considered full-time jobs, but I assume these are just 6 week job opportunities the school creates for their unemployed? What are these kids doing for those 6 weeks/ are any of these kids actually given truly full-time careers from the school?
Thanks, you all are right. I've fixed it. If somebody could check over it to make sure, it'd be much appreciated.table3 wrote:Interested in the answer to this. Can we get a double check on the IUB v. IUI numbers? They do seem swapped.K Rock wrote:Is there a chance you accidentily switched the stats for the two Indiana schools? Historically IUB has placed more students out of state and IUI has place a lot more students in state, but this year those numbers seem switched.
Indiana University - Bloomington
69.5% Employed in IN
Indiana University - Indianapolis
32.4% Employed in IN
Working on them right now. Will be in the OP fairly soon.ChampagnePapi wrote:George Washington has 130 kids on school funded jobs
http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=gw
Anyone know what the national figure is for JD required jobs or has that not leaked yet? Outside of big firm hiring it definitely doesn't look like things got better for c/o 2012
TheNextAmendment wrote:Can somebody please intelligently explain what school funded jobs really are? They are considered full-time jobs, but I assume these are just 6 week job opportunities the school creates for their unemployed? What are these kids doing for those 6 weeks/ are any of these kids actually given truly full-time careers from the school?
School-Funded JobsTheNextAmendment wrote:Can somebody please intelligently explain what school funded jobs really are? They are considered full-time jobs, but I assume these are just 6 week job opportunities the school creates for their unemployed? What are these kids doing for those 6 weeks/ are any of these kids actually given truly full-time careers from the school?
There was a thread a couple weeks ago where a dude who went to UIUC(?) and was working school funded at a PD somewhere eventually got a full time offer.bowser wrote:TheNextAmendment wrote:Can somebody please intelligently explain what school funded jobs really are? They are considered full-time jobs, but I assume these are just 6 week job opportunities the school creates for their unemployed? What are these kids doing for those 6 weeks/ are any of these kids actually given truly full-time careers from the school?
The weird thing is I think I've only heard from 1 person on TLS who claimed to ever have had one of those jobs. It was a Duke grad or something who said they were all scams. But she also said some really strange things, so people thought she was a flame. Other than that it's a lot of people saying they knew people.
At most places it's where a graduate finds a PI org/govt agency which is willing to let her work for free, while the school pays the graduate a stipend.
Just want to clarify. It says June 2013 because that's when schools will receive their NALP reports. At that point, we'll ask for the reports and either leave the salary score blank or fill it in with data. Some schools are already publishing salary information, though, so definitely check school sites for c/of 2012 salary data.ChampagnePapi wrote:Looks like they all have that. Isn't the salary stuff from the NALP report, yet to be released?North wrote:Bug: The Salary Response Score for the esteemed Charleston School of Lawl seems to be pulling from the wrong line of the spreadsheet. It says 'June 2013' where I imagine there should be a number.
This article is kind of interesting:TheNextAmendment wrote:Can somebody please intelligently explain what school funded jobs really are? They are considered full-time jobs, but I assume these are just 6 week job opportunities the school creates for their unemployed? What are these kids doing for those 6 weeks/ are any of these kids actually given truly full-time careers from the school?
justonemoregame wrote:Jenes, when you click on Geographic reports, it brings up a map which shows DC as a rather large island in the Atlantic, which is grossly inaccurate.
No. That means that the school did not place 5% of its graduates in that state, in any capacity. (This is a limit of the Score Reports, sadly, but it's because of the data available.)Brixton wrote:So if we click on a state and a given school is not found under that state, does that mean that particular school has zero graduates working in legal-related (bar required) jobs in that state?
Thanks for the detailed, prompt response. Keep up the good work.jenesaislaw wrote:School-Funded JobsTheNextAmendment wrote:Can somebody please intelligently explain what school funded jobs really are? They are considered full-time jobs, but I assume these are just 6 week job opportunities the school creates for their unemployed? What are these kids doing for those 6 weeks/ are any of these kids actually given truly full-time careers from the school?
A position is law school or university funded if the law school or the university of which it is a part pays the salary of the graduate directly or indirectly and in any amount. Thus, a person employed by the law school in the law library or as a research assistant, research "fellow," or clinic staff attorney has a law school funded position. Similarly, if the position is in the university's library, the position is university funded.
The position is funded directly if the graduate is on the payroll of the law school or the university. The position is funded indirectly if the law school or the university funds another entity in any way and in any amount to pay the salary. The position is also funded indirectly if it is paid through funds solicited from or donated by an outside supporter. Thus, a position in the law library is funded directly by the law school. A position in a legal services office or a law firm that is funded in any amount by the law school is funded indirectly by the law school.
Related Notes
School-funded jobs present an interesting issue for any measurement of employment outcomes because they can span a range of jobs from the desirable to the illusory. On one end are year-long, full-time appointments in jobs that involve substantive legal work, provide valuable experience, and genuinely advance a recent graduate's career. On the other end are part-time positions that last only a short time and are timed to coincide with the nine month employment survey.
The LST Employment Score makes no adjustment for short-term and part-time jobs funded by the school because none is needed. These jobs—often created with an eye towards inflating employment statistics—are already accounted for when we discount for short-term and part-time jobs. For full-time, long-term jobs funded by the school, we have added a red asterisk to indicate what % of the score comes from school-funded jobs.
Note that some of these long-term, full-time bar passage required school-funded jobs might actually be jobs with an indefinite term instead of a definite, one-year term. (It might be tempting to exclude definite-term jobs because of the likelihood that these jobs were structured to inflate employment statistics.) Jobs in clinics, as librarians, as writing instructors, or as professors each could have an indefinite term.
Finally, just for clarity, long-term means the job is either a fixed term of one+ year or an indefinite term. Short-term is everything else, e.g. a job that hires for six weeks. A full-time job is one that is 35 hours or more per week.
If anybody knows somebody who can program SVG maps, please have them email us. I can only manipulate SVGs, so I moved the DC marker and made it larger in the ocean. This is better than having it be a tiny dot you can barely click.justonemoregame wrote:Jenes, when you click on Geographic reports, it brings up a map which shows DC as a rather large island in the Atlantic, which is grossly inaccurate.
I like how you've done it, ALL HAILjenesaislaw wrote:If anybody knows somebody who can program SVG maps, please have them email us. I can only manipulate SVGs, so I moved the DC marker and made it larger in the ocean. This is better than having it be a tiny dot you can barely click.justonemoregame wrote:Jenes, when you click on Geographic reports, it brings up a map which shows DC as a rather large island in the Atlantic, which is grossly inaccurate.
Agreed. I think if the NJ schools are going to put this out there as the best path to work in NJ, they need to justify it with real data not anecdotes.Tier2Allstar wrote:I am always curious about New Jersey schools and what employment looks like for the slew of state clerks all the schools have the year after. Like half of Rutgers-Camden had a State Clerkship.