Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

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Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby srs » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:14 pm

Loyola- 32k a year
USD- 35k a year
Pepperdine- 30k a year

Scholarships are all pretty similar, as is the price of tuition. So my question is, which is the best school??
I hope to practice in Southern California and have not decided on a specific area of law, although tax law and entertainment law are two areas of interest.

Any constructive help would be very much appreciated! Thank you!

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby Danteshek » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:21 pm

Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby Nova » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:22 pm

What are the stipulations on the scholarships?

What is the total cost of attendance of each? (tuition + fees + cost of living - scholarship)

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby Dmini7 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:48 pm

Danteshek wrote:Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.


As a graduate what was your outcome? Out of curiousity.

Also, I do agree that Loyola would be the best out of all three(but don't count on tax law). With that said, does your USD scholarship have stipulations? I received the same amount and mine had none. For that reason, it was a pretty tempting offer. If it doesn't have stipulations I would choose it. And the same question about your Pepperdine offer? Does it have stipulations? Again, mine came without but was only 28k/yr. I think if you were to choose a school out of all three of these, you should look at the stipulations. If your goal is San Diego, I think USD is the only one that gives you a shot of getting there(although even then it is not certain).

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:01 pm

Danteshek wrote:Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.

Best in what sense? All three place less than 50% into FT/LT JD-required jobs, all three place less than 10% into firms of 100+, and all three will cost OP close to or over $100,000.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby srs » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:03 pm

Thanks for the comments!

USD stipulation is that I remain in "good academic standing" i.e. cumulative GPA of 2.0

Loyola and Pepperdine stipulation is that I am ranked in the top half of the class at the end of each year

So, USD has definitely given me the best offer. I don't anticipate having a problem remaining in the top half, I am bright and a hard worker and what not, but you never know.

I agree that Loyola is probably the best school out of three, but is it THAT much better than USD? Is it worth taking the risk that I'll fall into the bottom half of the class and lose my scholarship?

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby srs » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:05 pm

romothesavior wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.

Best in what sense? All three place less than 50% into FT/LT JD-required jobs, all three place less than 10% into firms of 100+, and all three will cost OP close to or over $100,000.


I am extremely confident that I will be among the 50% employed ;) So those number don't bother me. I'm really just wondering where I will get the best education and have the best experience.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:10 pm

srs wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.

Best in what sense? All three place less than 50% into FT/LT JD-required jobs, all three place less than 10% into firms of 100+, and all three will cost OP close to or over $100,000.


I am extremely confident that I will be among the 50% employed ;)

Based on... what? Do you have a job lined up after graduation?

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby srs » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:36 pm

romothesavior wrote:
srs wrote:
romothesavior wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.

Best in what sense? All three place less than 50% into FT/LT JD-required jobs, all three place less than 10% into firms of 100+, and all three will cost OP close to or over $100,000.


I am extremely confident that I will be among the 50% employed ;)

Based on... what? Do you have a job lined up after graduation?


No I'm just really, really good looking.

Haha, kidding. My grandfather and uncle are partners at a firm in socal and are excited that they'll be able to hire me- assuming I pass the bar ;)

My question really just is what school has the best environment? Where will I learn the most? Has anyone attended these schools and had a positive or negative experience?

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby laforzagop » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:43 pm

USD without hesitation.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby romothesavior » Wed Mar 27, 2013 8:56 pm

Pick whichever is cheapest. If they're similar, visit all three, see if one gives you way better vibes.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby hephaestus » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:00 pm

If you have a guaranteed job offer, just pick the cheapest one with the least bad stipulation. The real answer is retake so you can go somewhere for free if you truly have a guaranteed offer.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby Mr. Jones » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:04 pm

If you have a job afterwards, go to Pepperdine or USD. Downtown LA....nobody wants to do that.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby thatgumyoulike » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:44 pm

ImNoScar wrote:If you have a guaranteed job offer, just pick the cheapest one with the least bad stipulation. The real answer is retake so you can go somewhere for free if you truly have a guaranteed offer.

This. If you are guaranteed a job, USD with close to no stips is your best current offer.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby sanjola » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:05 pm

Mr. Jones wrote:If you have a job afterwards, go to Pepperdine or USD. Downtown LA....nobody wants to do that.


+100

3 years in Malibu or San Diego over Downtown LA any day.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby Danteshek » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:50 am

Dmini7 wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.


As a graduate what was your outcome? Out of curiousity.


My outcome was exceptional. I received a $130,000 named international comparative law fellowship to study in Russia for two years. I will probably study for a Master's in Law and Finance at the National Research University Higher School of Economics in Moscow. I am also completing an LLM in Securities and Financial Regulation at Georgetown.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby Danteshek » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:53 am

romothesavior wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.

Best in what sense? All three place less than 50% into FT/LT JD-required jobs, all three place less than 10% into firms of 100+, and all three will cost OP close to or over $100,000.


I already answered that question. I would also add that Loyola is better than the other two for networking and finding a job. We can quibble about how meaningful the percentages are, but Loyola is also a much bigger school.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby North » Fri Mar 29, 2013 9:58 am

Danteshek wrote:
Dmini7 wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.


As a graduate what was your outcome? Out of curiousity.


My outcome was exceptional. I received a $130,000 named international comparative law fellowship to study in Russia for two years. I will probably study for a Master's in Law and Finance at the National Research University Higher School of Economics in Moscow. I am also completing an LLM in Securities and Financial Regulation at Georgetown.

That's just more school. Do you have a job lined up? Or are you in that 60%?

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby BigZuck » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:35 am

Retake for a full ride.

Also I think too many of my fellow 0Ls care about learning and stuff. It sounds like most schools are pretty much the same in that regard. The job/cost to get it should be the primary focus.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby Danteshek » Fri Mar 29, 2013 10:58 am

North wrote:
Danteshek wrote:
Dmini7 wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Of those three, Loyola is the best. It has a bigger network and more curricular depth than either USD or Pepperdine.

Happy to answer any more questions. I graduated from Loyola in 2012. Also took 9 units of Tax.


As a graduate what was your outcome? Out of curiousity.


My outcome was exceptional. I received a $130,000 named international comparative law fellowship to study in Russia for two years. I will probably study for a Master's in Law and Finance at the National Research University Higher School of Economics in Moscow. I am also completing an LLM in Securities and Financial Regulation at Georgetown.

That's just more school. Do you have a job lined up? Or are you in that 60%?


Whatever, dude. I'm getting paid. I may also get a full-ride and subsidized housing from the Russian government.

While I am building my professional network in Moscow (and paying off my loans), you will be someone's lackey.

See you in 3-5 years.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby North » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:04 am

Danteshek wrote:Whatever, dude. I'm getting paid. I may also get a full-ride and subsidized housing from the Russian government.

While I am building my professional network in Moscow, you will be someone's lackey.

See you in 3-5 years.

Yeah I hear Moscow is a hub for international comparative law jobs. Keep schilling for Loyola, bro.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby Danteshek » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:39 am

North wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Whatever, dude. I'm getting paid. I may also get a full-ride and subsidized housing from the Russian government.

While I am building my professional network in Moscow, you will be someone's lackey.

See you in 3-5 years.

Yeah I hear Moscow is a hub for international comparative law jobs. Keep schilling for Loyola, bro.


Moscow is the biggest city in Europe. 50 global law firms have offices there.

I can also work in the financial sector (I have experience).

Your failure to make partnership in 10 years will be the result of your utter lack of courage and imagination (not to mention your monolingualism and provincialism)

My father, a 1974 UVA Law alum, is embarrassed for you.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby North » Fri Mar 29, 2013 11:55 am

Danteshek wrote:Moscow is the biggest city in Europe. 50 global law firms have offices there.

I can also work in the financial sector.

Your failure to make partnership in 10 years will be the result of your utter lack of courage and imagination (not to mention your monolingualism and provincialism)

My father, a 1974 UVA Law alum, is embarrassed for you.

A quick look through American law offices in Moscow tells me that the Associates they hire are almost universally Russians with Russian law degrees. The Partners went to English law schools in the 70's. I found one guy who went to Tulane in the 70's, but that was the only American. I seriously wish you good luck breaking into there, bro, looks rough.

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Re: Loyola v. USD v. Pepperdine

Postby Danteshek » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:46 pm

North wrote:
Danteshek wrote:Moscow is the biggest city in Europe. 50 global law firms have offices there.

I can also work in the financial sector.

Your failure to make partnership in 10 years will be the result of your utter lack of courage and imagination (not to mention your monolingualism and provincialism)

My father, a 1974 UVA Law alum, is embarrassed for you.

A quick look through American law offices in Moscow tells me that the Associates they hire are almost universally Russians with Russian law degrees. The Partners went to English law schools in the 70's. I found one guy who went to Tulane in the 70's, but that was the only American. I seriously wish you good luck breaking into there, bro, looks rough.


I will have a Russian law degree. How many westerners do you know who have even attempted this?

And no, you are definitely not my brother. You are a dishonest, cynical douchebag hoping that I will fall flat on my face.

Failure is a distinct possibility. However, the board of trustees that selected me, which includes law professors from NYU Law and USC Law, and the managing partner of Patton Boggs, Doha, Qatar, have faith in me.




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