DoubleChecks wrote: Lord Randolph McDuff wrote: cinephile wrote:
Lord Randolph McDuff wrote: I actually see people with good-not-great grades at my school and worry they should focus less on school and more on reaching out to practitioners in their target area.
I don't get it. Okay, so one dude from your school networks his way into a job, that just means one less job for someone else.
95% of employed grads at my school networks his/her way into their job.
cinephile wrote:We're not creating jobs here, just competing against one another in a zero-sum game. On an individual level it might make sense to give this sort of advice, but looking at your school overall,
I agree. But in a sense the entire economy is a zero-sum game. I'd rather have my friends get jobs than people who went to other law schools. I was giving advice on an individual sense.
cinephile wrote: it'd be better to tell half the class (or three-quarters or however many) to drop out.
Sure, but on TLS people always say "bottom half should drop out." At the vast majority of law schools, bottom third is just as likely to get a job as top third because networking, interpersonal skills, luck, etc., get you a job, not grades. Alls I was sayin.
DoubleChecks wrote:95% of employed grads at your school networks their way into a job? Not sure if you're damning the school or complimenting it lol.
I suppose in a way I am damning my school. For 95% of the class, going to CU might
help-- employers view the school in a positive light because CU is the most selective law school for about 1000 miles. But these students will get their jobs by networking, maybe with CU alums maybe not. You could argue that the school is still getting them the job because the students can talk up their education and experience from the school, but really the student is selling themselves in this situation, the school is not selling them. That is the case for every law school outside the top 15 or so. For T1- TTTT, your grades don't get you a job unless you are at the tippity top. It not like at Columbia, where you can graduate in the top half and essentially get your job based on your school/rank; either through OCI or by sending out hundreds of cover letters and resumes with your class rank. OCI accounts for less than 5% of hiring here, and accounts for only marginally higher percentages at regional schools in larger legal markets. From schools like CU, Tulane, Wisconsin, whatever, sending out cover letters to strangers that mention you're top half, top 1/3, top 20% doesn't help much; it might help get you a meeting but you won't be hired based on your school/grades. And usually the person who gets you a job will have encountered you, in person, before encountering your resume.
Re-reading this gives me the sneaking suspicion that I explained this poorly. My apologies if that is the case. Still clicking submit.
DoubleChecks wrote:Either way, these sound like shady law school stats! 95% of 20 people from a class of 300...would mean pretty much nothing.
DoubleChecks wrote:On the idea that at a vast majority of law schools, bottom third is just as likely as top third to get a job...that's interesting; could very well be true. My, my, if it were, I'd hope that information would be circulated more for those making such decisions.
We'd all rather be top 1/3 than bottom 1/3, so "just as likely" isn't entirely true. But for all intents and purposes someone in the bottom 1/3 has nearly the same chance of employment as someone in the top 1/3 for the reasons discussed. As far as why this information isn't cirulated much, I can only guess. I've found TLS is a bit heavy on advice for students who go to "top" schools. There are a few posters who do attend more average schools, and with some patience you can find their advice.