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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
For some reason I found this line absolutely hilarious.carmenjones wrote:It's common knowledge that if you want to be a law professor you usually go to Harvard, Yale, Stanford or University of Chicago.
Well this post is not about those schools.
Between Cornell, Duke, and Georgetown---which school do you think has the best academic reputation "on the street" (i.e. among everyday folks)? Likewise, which of these three schools would be the best choice for someone who aspires to become a law professor?
Really interested in hearing people's detailed thoughts.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
Also who cares what everyday folk think.moonman157 wrote:For some reason I found this line absolutely hilarious.carmenjones wrote:It's common knowledge that if you want to be a law professor you usually go to Harvard, Yale, Stanford or University of Chicago.
Well this post is not about those schools.
Between Cornell, Duke, and Georgetown---which school do you think has the best academic reputation "on the street" (i.e. among everyday folks)? Likewise, which of these three schools would be the best choice for someone who aspires to become a law professor?
Really interested in hearing people's detailed thoughts.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
None of those schools place enough students in academia to justify that as your primary reason for attending. I'd go Duke just for the best outcome in terms of employment thats actually reasonably possible.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
That line was golden. I agree Ruxin. The average person knows more about Duke's basketball program and ranking compared to their law program.Ruxin1 wrote:Also who cares what everyday folk think.moonman157 wrote:For some reason I found this line absolutely hilarious.carmenjones wrote:It's common knowledge that if you want to be a law professor you usually go to Harvard, Yale, Stanford or University of Chicago.
Well this post is not about those schools.
Between Cornell, Duke, and Georgetown---which school do you think has the best academic reputation "on the street" (i.e. among everyday folks)? Likewise, which of these three schools would be the best choice for someone who aspires to become a law professor?
Really interested in hearing people's detailed thoughts.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
So this blew my mind. (A ranking of what percent of the 2011 graduating classes went into academia.)
But I verified some of the numbers on LST and they seem to be right. (I checked because I actually thought the thing was broken!)
Of course, I'd bet the jobs of Yale graduates in academia are generally better (tenure track, for example) than George Washington graduates.
But I verified some of the numbers on LST and they seem to be right. (I checked because I actually thought the thing was broken!)
Of course, I'd bet the jobs of Yale graduates in academia are generally better (tenure track, for example) than George Washington graduates.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
LOL! Thanks folks.
I think lay prestige is important. I know that the legal realm is hell-bent on rankings, but I've always been a believer that you should take the overall prestige of the institution that the law school is housed at. In other words: I'd never choose UVA over UPENN no matter how many people tell me that UVA has the better law school.
That being said, I'm completely torn between Cornell, Duke, and Georgetown in terms of which school has the best overall reputation.
Sounds like you guys/gals are saying Duke though. Thank you for the perspective.
I think lay prestige is important. I know that the legal realm is hell-bent on rankings, but I've always been a believer that you should take the overall prestige of the institution that the law school is housed at. In other words: I'd never choose UVA over UPENN no matter how many people tell me that UVA has the better law school.
That being said, I'm completely torn between Cornell, Duke, and Georgetown in terms of which school has the best overall reputation.
Sounds like you guys/gals are saying Duke though. Thank you for the perspective.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
[quote="LSATSCORES2012"]So this blew my mind. (A ranking of what percent of the 2011 graduating classes went into academia.)
But I verified some of the numbers on LST and they seem to be right.
Of course, I'd bet the jobs of Yale graduates in academia are generally better (tenure track, for example) than George Washington graduates.[/quote
Wow. thanks for sharing that list. GW eh? Who knew?
Here's another list---to me this one seems a little more aligned with most people's general assumptions about where law professors come form.
http://leiterrankings.com/new/2011_LawTeachers.shtml
But I verified some of the numbers on LST and they seem to be right.
Of course, I'd bet the jobs of Yale graduates in academia are generally better (tenure track, for example) than George Washington graduates.[/quote
Wow. thanks for sharing that list. GW eh? Who knew?
Here's another list---to me this one seems a little more aligned with most people's general assumptions about where law professors come form.
http://leiterrankings.com/new/2011_LawTeachers.shtml
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
It depends largely on who you ask and in what geographic location we're talking about. There's no clear winner.carmenjones wrote:LOL! Thanks folks.
I think lay prestige is important. I know that the legal realm is hell-bent on rankings, but I've always been a believer that you should take the overall prestige of the institution that the law school is housed at. In other words: I'd never choose UVA over UPENN no matter how many people tell me that UVA has the better law school.
That being said, I'm completely torn between Cornell, Duke, and Georgetown in terms of which school has the best overall reputation.
Sounds like you guys/gals are saying Duke though. Thank you for the perspective.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
That's a very broad definition of "academia"LSATSCORES2012 wrote:So this blew my mind. (A ranking of what percent of the 2011 graduating classes went into academia.)
But I verified some of the numbers on LST and they seem to be right. (I checked because I actually thought the thing was broken!)
Of course, I'd bet the jobs of Yale graduates in academia are generally better (tenure track, for example) than George Washington graduates.
Those numbers are a joke
OP, you want this
http://prawfsblawg.blogs.com/prawfsblaw ... ng-report/
Bottom line:
Clearlynotstefan wrote:None of those schools place enough students in academia to justify that as your primary reason for attending.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
Makes sense... I doubt whether most of those jobs are tenure-track positions (which is what the Leiter rankings include).rad lulz wrote:That's a very broad definition of "academia"
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
For academia, I think Duke is the clear winner. Not that it matters -- Duke isn't going to get you COA clerkship or an academic job unless you absolutely kill it (just like the others), become a well known appellate litigator, or publish a lot as a practitioner.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
I doubt "everyday folks" have any opinion about the academic differences between Cornell, Duke, and Georgetown - they're all highly-ranked, fancy, private, and expensive. And since "everyday folks" don't undertake academic hiring, I don't know why it matters what the "everyday folks" think about the schools if you want to go into academia.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
Cornell is Ivy league. Open with that at the bars.
Also, I'd venture to say Virginia has more street cred after the whole Sandusky affair.
Also, I'd venture to say Virginia has more street cred after the whole Sandusky affair.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
I wish that worked. Any one who's 1/2 way intelligent will just respond "BARELY IVY LEAGUE!!!"sinfiery wrote:Cornell is Ivy league. Open with that at the bars.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
By pure lay prestige doesn't the Ivy League beat everything else? I mean as far as the average person is concerned Cornell is right up there with Harvard and Yale.LSATSCORES2012 wrote:So this blew my mind. (A ranking of what percent of the 2011 graduating classes went into academia.)
But I verified some of the numbers on LST and they seem to be right. (I checked because I actually thought the thing was broken!)
Of course, I'd bet the jobs of Yale graduates in academia are generally better (tenure track, for example) than George Washington graduates.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
I have never understood why Cornell is in the bottom of the T-14.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
See above for "IT'S NOT A REAL IVY"bizzybone1313 wrote:I have never understood why Cornell is in the bottom of the T-14.
But it's probably because it has the lowest medians in the T14
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
Most of those jobs aren't "academic" jobs in the sense of the definition that's being talked about (working in the admissions office, as an academic adviser, etc.).LSATSCORES2012 wrote:Makes sense... I doubt whether most of those jobs are tenure-track positions (which is what the Leiter rankings include).rad lulz wrote:That's a very broad definition of "academia"
OP--Duke might have a very small edge over the other two, but academia is a long shot from any of the three. But, if you are able to distinguish yourself at any of the three and do the right things (law review, ed board, COA clerkship, produce really good scholarship, etc.) then it's a possibility from all three. It's just a long shot possibility and you shouldn't go to any of the three with an "academia or bust" perspective.
Also another thing to consider: the legal academic market is starting to collapse. It might not be the best time to try to get in, since it's probably going to get increasing difficult in the next few years (and there might be significant structural changes taking place).
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
Works for me apparently the women I hit on don't know the difference, heck half of them barely know its ivy league rather than the other way around that its barely and ivy league school. Difference, being once they figure out that it is ivy league they are in awe that I go there. Worth this years tuition right there.kapital98 wrote:I wish that worked. Any one who's 1/2 way intelligent will just respond "BARELY IVY LEAGUE!!!"sinfiery wrote:Cornell is Ivy league. Open with that at the bars.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
PENN STATE HAD SANDUSKY. Not UPENN. If you mean that most people don't know the difference and that's why Penn now may have a bad reputation, fair. If you did NOT know the difference, this is a PSA. PENN STATE has the famous football team, Sandusky, Paterno. UPenn has the brilliant legal minds.sinfiery wrote:Cornell is Ivy league. Open with that at the bars.
Also, I'd venture to say Virginia has more street cred after the whole Sandusky affair.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
Dude, it's a running joke at ATL and here that no one call tell the difference between UPenn and Penn State.bzzingbee wrote:PENN STATE HAD SANDUSKY. Not UPENN. If you mean that most people don't know the difference and that's why Penn now may have a bad reputation, fair. If you did NOT know the difference, this is a PSA. PENN STATE has the famous football team, Sandusky, Paterno. UPenn has the brilliant legal minds.sinfiery wrote:Cornell is Ivy league. Open with that at the bars.
Also, I'd venture to say Virginia has more street cred after the whole Sandusky affair.
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Re: Best Law School for academia: Cornell, Duke, or Georgetown?
No im pretty sure it was UPENNbzzingbee wrote:PENN STATE HAD SANDUSKY. Not UPENN. If you mean that most people don't know the difference and that's why Penn now may have a bad reputation, fair. If you did NOT know the difference, this is a PSA. PENN STATE has the famous football team, Sandusky, Paterno. UPenn has the brilliant legal minds.sinfiery wrote:Cornell is Ivy league. Open with that at the bars.
Also, I'd venture to say Virginia has more street cred after the whole Sandusky affair.
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