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UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby h2opolo » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:25 pm

I am deciding between UCLA and Michigan both at sticker.

I'm a CA resident so will pay in-state at UCLA.

Only as of late, I have been thinking of working in LA, but I am not too sure. I was also thinking about going in to entertainment law, but again, I'm not entirely set on that.

Here are my thoughts on choosing:

At Michigan, I forgo the opportunity to study entertainment law at the finest institution. I also will be stuck in Ann Arbor and the crappy weather therein. However, it has a beautiful campus, places well in both CA and NY, has a more prestigious name, and has better big law placement.

At UCLA, I will pigeonhole myself in the LA market which I may end up disliking. I essentially limit my opportunities to practice east coast big law. However, it has beautiful weather, a beautiful campus, great job placement in LA, and an incredible entertainment law program.

This is such a difficult choice because I'm not entirely set on what/where I want to practice. Any advice would be much appreciated, thanks!

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby Rahviveh » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:26 pm

These are your only options?

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby h2opolo » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:30 pm

ChampagnePapi wrote:These are your only options?


These are my best options; the only ones I really want to attend. I have scholarships to several t-30 schools, but have been waitlisted at almost every single t-14. It's been a frustrating cycle...

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby Rahviveh » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:30 pm

I hate to be "that guy" but you have a 4.0. Have you maxed out your LSAT?

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby Paul Campos » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:38 pm

Neither school is worth sticker, but if you insist Michigan is much the better choice, given that you're not sure where you want to work, entertainment law isn't really a thing, Westwood is far more expensive than AA, and you shouldn't rack up $250K in debt on the basis of weather preferences.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby Ti Malice » Thu Mar 21, 2013 1:56 pm

OP, what do you think it is that "entertainment lawyers" do?

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby JesusChrist » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:12 pm

Ti Malice wrote:OP, what do you think it is that "entertainment lawyers" do?


They juggle and dance.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby bizzybone1313 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 2:19 pm

JesusChrist wrote:
Ti Malice wrote:OP, what do you think it is that "entertainment lawyers" do?


They juggle and dance.


What do they "juggle"? Is being female a necessary requirement?

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby h2opolo » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:13 pm

ChampagnePapi wrote:I hate to be "that guy" but you have a 4.0. Have you maxed out your LSAT?


I have not, I PTd at about 176 (my nerves got to me), and though many may think foolish, I do not want to take a year off.

Ti Malice wrote:OP, what do you think it is that "entertainment lawyers" do?


Honestly, mostly contracts, but 'entertainment' such as film and tv is a subject that I find interesting. Particularly working with unions such as directors and actors guilds. I'm not a great dancer so I hope 'JesusChrist' is wrong... lol
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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby Rahviveh » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:19 pm

h2opolo wrote:
ChampagnePapi wrote:I hate to be "that guy" but you have a 4.0. Have you maxed out your LSAT?


I have not, I PTd at about 176 (my nerves got to me), and though many may think foolishly, I do not want to take a year off.

Ti Malice wrote:OP, what do you think it is that "entertainment lawyers" do?


Honestly, mostly contracts, but 'entertainment' such as film and tv is a subject that I find interesting. Particularly working with unions such as directors and actors guilds. I'm not a great dancer so I hope 'JesusChrist' is wrong... lol


Have you thought about re-taking it in June? At the very least, it will give you peace of mind and does not commit you to anything. Also, you can to use a higher score as leverage for other T14 WL's and scholarship negotiation.

The first time I took the LSAT I PT'ed in the 170s and nerves got me too - but I retook and made it right. There's countless other stories of this happening on TLS.

To be honest, its downright idiotic to even consider these options if you have a 4.0 and could hit 170+.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby ph14 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:20 pm

UCLA easily based on what you have posted.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby dr123 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:21 pm

TCR is to see who goes farther in the tourney and then go to that school.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby Micdiddy » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:49 pm

ph14 wrote:UCLA easily based on what you have posted.


Really? I would say the exact opposite. If OP simply cannot give up his dream of being an entertainment lawyer, then sure UCLA, but assuming he would rather actually find a job, try to make money and pay off debt, Mich seem easily the only actual choice that involved going to school this year.
With that said, waiting a year and retaking seems to be far and away the best option.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby bk1 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:55 pm

h2opolo wrote:I have not, I PTd at about 176 (my nerves got to me), and though many may think foolish, I do not want to take a year off.

It is foolish. Don't be foolish.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby bowser » Thu Mar 21, 2013 5:59 pm

You were consistently getting 176+? You'd be a lunatic not to retake. You're talking about like 200K+ here.

Michigan is the much better option for someone like you, who doesn't seem to have a solid grasp of what they want.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby BerkeleyBear » Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:12 pm

Micdiddy wrote:
ph14 wrote:UCLA easily based on what you have posted.


Really? I would say the exact opposite. If OP simply cannot give up his dream of being an entertainment lawyer, then sure UCLA, but assuming he would rather actually find a job, try to make money and pay off debt, Mich seem easily the only actual choice that involved going to school this year.
With that said, waiting a year and retaking seems to be far and away the best option.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby bruinfan10 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:12 pm

Paul Campos wrote:Neither school is worth sticker, but if you insist Michigan is much the better choice, given that you're not sure where you want to work, entertainment law isn't really a thing, Westwood is far more expensive than AA, and you shouldn't rack up $250K in debt on the basis of weather preferences.

1) Listen to the above, 2) print out ph14's post, piss on it, burn it, then 3) go retake the LSAT.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby ph14 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:19 pm

bruinfan10 wrote:
Paul Campos wrote:Neither school is worth sticker, but if you insist Michigan is much the better choice, given that you're not sure where you want to work, entertainment law isn't really a thing, Westwood is far more expensive than AA, and you shouldn't rack up $250K in debt on the basis of weather preferences.

1) Listen to the above, 2) print out ph14's post, piss on it, burn it, then 3) go retake the LSAT.


Very constructive advice.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby JollyGreenGiant » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:22 pm

As a 3L, I cannot advise you strongly enough to retake. Retaking allows you to go to a better school and/or go to one of these schools for free. $200k is no joke.


Also, entertainment law isn't a thing unless you quick run to UCLA and befriend Shabazz Muhammad and become his agent.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby Big Dog » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:31 pm

I PTd at about 176 (my nerves got to me), and though many may think foolish, I do not want to take a year off.


It's worse than foolish. It's downright stupid in this economy.

You are offering to assume $250k in debt, when you could take a year off and attend LS at a serious discount, perhaps even tuition-free.

Does that make any sense to you? Seriously?
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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby Lincoln » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:34 pm

I go to a school in this range, have loved it, have a jerb, whatever you would consider success. I took the LSAT three times (!), and the third time I scored close to the top of my PT range, so I basically got what I deserved in terms of school caliber and scholly. But honestly, if there was even a snowball's chance in hell I could be in the same situation but with, say, $100,000 less in debt, I'd retake, take a year off, run naked down Broadway, ANYTHING. All you need to do is take the damn test again and get over your nerves.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby jbagelboy » Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:39 pm

I feel as though I am often taking this role against my better nature, and my own judgement, (since I retook to 172 and it changed everything) but lets assume the OP has actually thouht about this decision at length and decided he/she wants to attend law school next year and cant afford the time/stress/$$ to retake. Im opposed to the "dont waste your gpa" attitude anyway.

Michigan. You dont seem certain about the LA market. Do you know who is certain about LA? UCLA. Now, if you had some $ at UCLA, plus your in state, that might change things. But as another poster relayed, dont be scared off a better opportunity by the weather or friends back home. Michigan is a great national school and if you do well there you can pay off your debt.

Go to the ASW and see for yourself before deciding something like this. I agree 200K is not to be taken lightly

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby Redamon1 » Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:20 pm

Retake. Yes, retaking the LSAT sucks. So what. It also sucks not to get what you want right away. Welcome to life. I hit my PT score on my third attempt. Retake, and come back later to thank TLS for this slap in the face.

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby h2opolo » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:31 am

jbagelboy wrote:I feel as though I am often taking this role against my better nature, and my own judgement, (since I retook to 172 and it changed everything) but lets assume the OP has actually thouht about this decision at length and decided he/she wants to attend law school next year and cant afford the time/stress/$$ to retake. Im opposed to the "dont waste your gpa" attitude anyway.

Michigan. You dont seem certain about the LA market. Do you know who is certain about LA? UCLA. Now, if you had some $ at UCLA, plus your in state, that might change things. But as another poster relayed, dont be scared off a better opportunity by the weather or friends back home. Michigan is a great national school and if you do well there you can pay off your debt.

Go to the ASW and see for yourself before deciding something like this. I agree 200K is not to be taken lightly


Best advice, thank you. I plan on attending their next ASW.

I certainly wasn't asking for advice on whether or not to retake the LSAT, so to peanut gallery who failed to read my question, I also appreciate your volunteered annoyance. $250k is a big deal. Fortunately, my parents are generous enough to support me through my schooling. Excelling at a T-10 school and acquiring a good job will provide me a great opportunity to pay back this debt. Taking a year off of school will not guarantee an increase in score. It will not guarantee my motivation to attend law school (or school in general) remain as strong as it currently does. But it does guarantee I start my career/life a year later and forgo a years salary.

That being said, it seems that Michigan is an overall better choice for someone who is not quite sure what type of law/what market I want to work in. Thank you all for the advice!

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Re: UCLA vs. Michigan

Postby rad lulz » Fri Mar 22, 2013 1:39 am

h2opolo wrote:
jbagelboy wrote:I feel as though I am often taking this role against my better nature, and my own judgement, (since I retook to 172 and it changed everything) but lets assume the OP has actually thouht about this decision at length and decided he/she wants to attend law school next year and cant afford the time/stress/$$ to retake. Im opposed to the "dont waste your gpa" attitude anyway.

Michigan. You dont seem certain about the LA market. Do you know who is certain about LA? UCLA. Now, if you had some $ at UCLA, plus your in state, that might change things. But as another poster relayed, dont be scared off a better opportunity by the weather or friends back home. Michigan is a great national school and if you do well there you can pay off your debt.

Go to the ASW and see for yourself before deciding something like this. I agree 200K is not to be taken lightly


Best advice, thank you. I plan on attending their next ASW.

I certainly wasn't asking for advice on whether or not to retake the LSAT, so to peanut gallery who failed to read my question, I also appreciate your volunteered annoyance. $250k is a big deal. Fortunately, my parents are generous enough to support me through my schooling. Excelling at a T-10 school and acquiring a good job will provide me a great opportunity to pay back this debt. Taking a year off of school will not guarantee an increase in score. It will not guarantee my motivation to attend law school (or school in general) remain as strong as it currently does. But it does guarantee I start my career/life a year later and forgo a years salary.

Going to law school doesn't guarantee a salary




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