Class of 2012 Employment Data

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Bronck » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:59 pm

CLS and UChi are being really slow and I'm very curious to see their numbers...!

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby iMisto » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:57 pm

Very happy to see these numbers from Cornell. :)

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby twinkletoes16 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:19 pm

Come on, berk. Release those numbers. Let them be good.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby chipchip » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:28 am

Just saying, to call working at a small firm or business or academic or a non-fed clerkship, to be "under/unemployed" is a bit presumptuous. Some people may have wanted to go into that route (I know at least 4 or 5 from GULC), some people (such as internationals) are not eligible for AIII clerkships but are eligible for state ones (I know of at least 1 from Mich.), and some people wanted to be in academia and got their chance. 100+ firms/AIII clerkships are not the holy grail for everyone.

My .02 cents.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Bronck » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:30 am

chipchip wrote:Just saying, to call working at a small firm or business or academic or a non-fed clerkship, to be "under/unemployed" is a bit presumptuous. Some people may have wanted to go into that route (I know at least 4 or 5 from GULC), some people (such as internationals) are not eligible for AIII clerkships but are eligible for state ones (I know of at least 1 from Mich.), and some people wanted to be in academia and got their chance. 100+ firms/AIII clerkships are not the holy grail for everyone.

My .02 cents.


We know. It's already been discussed here (and elsewhere). The graphs intentionally paint a conservative picture of employment because of the difficulty of judging the other categories.
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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby longlivetheking » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:30 am

but for the interest of compiling a credible source of information for desirable outcomes we have to basically assume those outcomes are shit.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby lever1je » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:37 am

Cooley's data is out. I noticed that there wasn't a spot left on the graph for it so it's gonna have to be edited (don't know how you forgot the #2 school in the country)

http://www.cooley.edu/consumerinformati ... y-2012.pdf

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Bronck » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:40 am

lever1je wrote:Cooley's data is out. I noticed that there wasn't a spot left on the graph for it so it's gonna have to be edited (don't know how you forgot the #2 school in the country)

http://www.cooley.edu/consumerinformati ... y-2012.pdf


Not bad. 1.4% into desirable outcomes and 79.4% un/underemployed.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby togepi » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:42 am

Bronck wrote:
lever1je wrote:Cooley's data is out. I noticed that there wasn't a spot left on the graph for it so it's gonna have to be edited (don't know how you forgot the #2 school in the country)

http://www.cooley.edu/consumerinformati ... y-2012.pdf


Not bad. 1.4% into desirable outcomes and 79.4% un/underemployed.


That one guy at the 500+ firm, lol. The .01%

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby ph5354a » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:29 am

Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby RetakeFrenzy » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:39 am

togepi wrote:
Bronck wrote:
lever1je wrote:Cooley's data is out. I noticed that there wasn't a spot left on the graph for it so it's gonna have to be edited (don't know how you forgot the #2 school in the country)

http://www.cooley.edu/consumerinformati ... y-2012.pdf


Not bad. 1.4% into desirable outcomes and 79.4% un/underemployed.


That one guy at the 500+ firm, lol. The .01%


:shock:

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:43 am

ph5354a wrote:Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?


Remember that firms of 100+ attorneys are not the same thing as NLJ firm placement. I think that you may be confusing the two.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby ph5354a » Tue Mar 26, 2013 7:50 am

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
ph5354a wrote:Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?


Remember that firms of 100+ attorneys are not the same thing as NLJ firm placement. I think that you may be confusing the two.

Yup, you're right :D This still seems to be a significant jump for Cornell. I hope they can sustain it.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby andythefir » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:07 am

The funniest part of Cooley's numbers are the school funded part time non-professional positions. Do they take on unemployed students as janitors?

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby WhiteyCakes » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:37 am

Bronck wrote:CLS and UChi are being really slow and I'm very curious to see their numbers...!

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Rahviveh » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:14 am

ph5354a wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
ph5354a wrote:Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?


Remember that firms of 100+ attorneys are not the same thing as NLJ firm placement. I think that you may be confusing the two.

Yup, you're right :D This still seems to be a significant jump for Cornell. I hope they can sustain it.

There's no reason to think they can't. Cornell was placing 70%+ before the crash. It won't ever get back to that point, but Cornell can place just as well as peer schools ITE.

And Cornell wasn't unique in being under 50% last year IIRC (firms + A3). C/o 2011 was rock bottom.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby M458 » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:05 am

ChampagnePapi wrote:
ph5354a wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:
ph5354a wrote:Thanks for this data guys. Anyone with knowledge of Cornell think that the 57.9% is sustainable? Any reasons why they can't top 50% every year? They're usually closer to 40% right?


Remember that firms of 100+ attorneys are not the same thing as NLJ firm placement. I think that you may be confusing the two.

Yup, you're right :D This still seems to be a significant jump for Cornell. I hope they can sustain it.

There's no reason to think they can't. Cornell was placing 70%+ before the crash. It won't ever get back to that point, but Cornell can place just as well as peer schools ITE.

And Cornell wasn't unique in being under 50% last year IIRC (firms + A3). C/o 2011 was rock bottom.


It's also a small class size, so small bumps in placement in terms of numbers can affect their percentages significantly.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Rahviveh » Tue Mar 26, 2013 12:51 pm

BU Law:

100+ firms: 74/273
Fed Clerks: 13/273

Total: 31.9%

27/273 on school-funded positions

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Lavitz » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:00 pm

iMisto wrote:Very happy to see these numbers from Cornell. :)

+1

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Rahviveh » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:02 pm

UC Hastings:

100+ Firms - 59/443
Fed Clerks - 9/443

Total: 15.3%

BTW They got a really detailed breakdown on their site, very interesting breaking down biz and PI jobs:

http://www.uchastings.edu/career-office ... 2Stats.pdf

7 people working in-house, 7 people in consulting, etc etc

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Rahviveh » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:08 pm

Also, just eyeballing it, it doesn't seem like the employment situation is improving much at most law schools. The top schools are seeing a rebound in biglaw hiring, but the BR/FT% outside the top schools is still very low. Hastings is at 50% :? I guess we will know for sure once LST updates.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby SportsFan » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:11 pm

ChampagnePapi wrote:Also, just eyeballing it, it doesn't seem like the employment situation is improving much at most law schools. The top schools are seeing a rebound in biglaw hiring, but the BR/FT% outside the top schools is still very low. Hastings is at 50% :? I guess we will know for sure once LST updates.

Yeah, seems like biglaw did well but pretty much everything else is still struggling a bit.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Rahviveh » Tue Mar 26, 2013 1:48 pm

Wow I didn't realize W&L has only 130 students

100+: 14/130
Fed clerk: 6/130

total: 15.4%

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby colonelnerd » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:02 pm

Wow, big jump for BU: ~22% to ~32%

Dying to see BC's numbers; hope they have a proportionate jump.

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Re: Class of 2012 Employment Data

Postby Real Madrid » Tue Mar 26, 2013 2:04 pm

CLS, Chicago, Boalt and NU are taking a while. Wonder if that means anything other than them just being slow. :?




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