Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

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Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby swc27 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:24 pm

I'll keep this short, because it's really simple: Go where you will be comfortable, and happy.

Assuming you applied wisely, you are choosing between a handful of schools that are within a few ranking points of each other. If you go to a higher-ranked school you'll finish lower in your class; if you go to a lower-ranked school, you'll be higher in your class.

You should go to ASWs, talk to students, get a feel for the town and its culture, and pick a place where you will be happy. You will be a better student when you are happy, which translates to better return on investment. You will be a better student when you're not wishing you were in a bigger town, or a smaller town, or closer to family or your girlfriend, or with more people of color, or with a more conservative student body, or whatever. Do not decide based on rankings. Do not decide based on money, unless there is a HUGE difference. Do not decide based on a specific program or professor that you think you're passionate about now, because unless you have serious experience in a given field, your interests will change.

Go where you will be comfortable and happy, and you cannot lose.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby holmesboy » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:31 pm

swc27 wrote:I'll keep this short, because it's really simple: Go where you will be comfortable, and happy.

Assuming you applied wisely, you are choosing between a handful of schools that are within a few ranking points of each other. If you go to a higher-ranked school you'll finish lower in your class; if you go to a lower-ranked school, you'll be higher in your class.

You should go to ASWs, talk to students, get a feel for the town and its culture, and pick a place where you will be happy. You will be a better student when you are happy, which translates to better return on investment. You will be a better student when you're not wishing you were in a bigger town, or a smaller town, or closer to family or your girlfriend, or with more people of color, or with a more conservative student body, or whatever. Do not decide based on rankings. Do not decide based on money, unless there is a HUGE difference. Do not decide based on a specific program or professor that you think you're passionate about now, because unless you have serious experience in a given field, your interests will change.

Go where you will be comfortable and happy, and you cannot lose.


Isn't there a formula for this?

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby megagnarley » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:43 pm

swc27 wrote:I'll keep this short, because it's really simple: Go where you will be comfortable, and happy.

Assuming you applied wisely, you are choosing between a handful of schools that are within a few ranking points of each other. If you go to a higher-ranked school you'll finish lower in your class; if you go to a lower-ranked school, you'll be higher in your class.

You should go to ASWs, talk to students, get a feel for the town and its culture, and pick a place where you will be happy. You will be a better student when you are happy, which translates to better return on investment. You will be a better student when you're not wishing you were in a bigger town, or a smaller town, or closer to family or your girlfriend, or with more people of color, or with a more conservative student body, or whatever. Do not decide based on rankings. Do not decide based on money, unless there is a HUGE difference. Do not decide based on a specific program or professor that you think you're passionate about now, because unless you have serious experience in a given field, your interests will change.

Go where you will be comfortable and happy, and you cannot lose.


Credentials?

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby eav1277 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:46 pm

Agree with the happiness. Happy ppl are often more motivated (doesn't mean ull do better but likely. Idk about the higher school lower in class ranking). I feel like ppl r often very close in lsat and gpa

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby rickgrimes69 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 10:56 pm

I do not think this is good advice because of its potential for misinterpretation. If all else is equal, it's fine for somebody to, hypothetically, choose Berk over UVa because they like California. But I can see a ton of 0Ls reading this and thinking it makes sense for them to fly across the country for ND because it's their 'dream school' even though they want to work in Iowa (I knew a girl who did this). The time for spreading wings and exploring was in undergrad. "Fit" should be a secondary consideration, only after location, cost, and employment stats are factored in. It's a tie-breaker, nothing more.

Also, the whole "you will place higher at a lower ranked school" thing has little basis in reality.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby Dr. Dre » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:08 pm

rickgrimes69 wrote:I do not think this is good advice

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Postby quiver » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:10 pm

rickgrimes69 wrote:The time for spreading wings and exploring was in undergrad. "Fit" should be a secondary consideration, only after location, cost, and employment stats are factored in. It's a tie-breaker, nothing more.
This.
rickgrimes69 wrote:Also, the whole "you will place higher at a lower ranked school" thing has little basis in reality.
And this. Sorry OP, your post makes almost no sense.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby swc27 » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:32 pm

Credentials: graduating top 25% from a T9, respected by my peers and professors, employed doing what I want to do. Also, still glad I went to law school, which is more than can be said for many of my classmates. I waited till my late 20s to start law school, so my wing-spreading days were well behind me.

No matter how brilliant you are, or how good your school's job stats are (hint: within ranking bands, they're pretty much the same), if you're miserable, you won't succeed.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby envisciguy » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:33 pm

I agree you should go to a school where you'll be happy, but scholarships, cost of living, and the region you're interested in are all extremely important considerations as well. Also, if schools are within a few ranking points of each other, I don't think that makes you more or less likely to do well. That would be like saying someone would do better if they went to Cornell instead of Berkeley. If it's a huge gap, maybe there's a difference, but still not very likely.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby PRgradBYU » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:56 pm

swc27 wrote:Go where you will be comfortable and happy, and you cannot lose.


What if I'm comfortable and happy attending Cooley for sticker?

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rickgrimes69 wrote:I do not think this is good advice

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby Ludo! » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:59 pm

Crazy to think someone could be two months away from graduating and still give out retarded advice about law school

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby sinfiery » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:02 am

People miss the assumption he made in this scenario where the specified person applied widely and is choosing between a few ranking points difference.


I would agree to the personal preference at the same cost of schools on similar ranking bands.


But when you get to cost, I think their better be a damn substantial reason for you to leave 75k+ on the table. Which could include school preference but rarely does such a distinction exist in proper extreme to override the cash

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby bizzybone1313 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:05 am

The advice about being happy seems credited. TLS gave me a lot of ish because I created a thread seeking to avoid the most conservative T-14 schools. Based on that thread, I definitely know I do not want to attend Virginia and probably neither U of Chicago. Why should I pay $200K to be in an environment where I will be miserable?

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby bizzybone1313 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:07 am

What does "T-9" mean? Lol. Is that suppose to be Michigan or Virginia?

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby EvilClinton » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:07 am

bizzybone1313 wrote:The advice about being happy seems credited. TLS gave me a lot of ish because I created a thread seeking to avoid the most conservative T-14 schools. Based on that thread, I definitely know I do not want to attend Virginia and probably neither U of Chicago. Why should I pay $200K to be in an environment where I will be miserable?

This is a stupid reason to choose any school. There are other factors that will matter much more in the long run.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby eav1277 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:09 am

I think it's pretty clear that OP's advice applies to school's in similar positions/rankings to one another. If they are close, you are probably going to get similar aid packages (or negotiate to make them similar). Ex. Berk v Michigan. If you hate the cold, get sick all the time, and love the mountains (or if your fam or SO will be much farther away), it's going to be a bit harder to enjoy your time, study, and focus at Michigan.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby Emma. » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:12 am

bizzybone1313 wrote:The advice about being happy seems credited. TLS gave me a lot of ish because I created a thread seeking to avoid the most conservative T-14 schools. Based on that thread, I definitely know I do not want to attend Virginia and probably neither U of Chicago. Why should I pay $200K to be in an environment where I will be miserable?


IDK. Keep in mind that school reputations don't necessarily reflect reality too well. I really thought I would hate UChicago and love Boalt, but ended up picking UChi and I've never regretted it.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby bizzybone1313 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:13 am

EvilClinton wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:The advice about being happy seems credited. TLS gave me a lot of ish because I created a thread seeking to avoid the most conservative T-14 schools. Based on that thread, I definitely know I do not want to attend Virginia and probably neither U of Chicago. Why should I pay $200K to be in an environment where I will be miserable?

This is a stupid reason to choose any school. There are other factors that will matter much more in the long run.


There are still about 10-12 other schools to choose from in the T-14. Being surrounded by intolerant peeps in undergrad probably cost me a few A's. I cannot afford that type of environment in LS. Almost everyone that applies to the T-14 does not apply to some of the T-14.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby Mr. Frodo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:26 am

swc27 wrote:Credentials: graduating top 25% from a T9, respected by my peers and professors, employed doing what I want to do. Also, still glad I went to law school, which is more than can be said for many of my classmates. I waited till my late 20s to start law school, so my wing-spreading days were well behind me.

No matter how brilliant you are, or how good your school's job stats are (hint: within ranking bands, they're pretty much the same), if you're miserable, you won't succeed.


lmao he said T9

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby sinfiery » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:28 am

Has to be Michigan.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby Mr. Frodo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:31 am

sinfiery wrote:Has to be Michigan.


+1 most def

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby swc27 » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:34 am

Mr. Frodo wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Has to be Michigan.


+1 most def


And?

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby EvilClinton » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:37 am

bizzybone1313 wrote:There are still about 10-12 other schools to choose from in the T-14. Being surrounded by intolerant peeps in undergrad probably cost me a few A's. I cannot afford that type of environment in LS. Almost everyone that applies to the T-14 does not apply to some of the T-14.

You aren't going to make it in law school.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby Richie Tenenbaum » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:39 am

rickgrimes69 wrote:I do not think this is good advice because of its potential for misinterpretation. If all else is equal, it's fine for somebody to, hypothetically, choose Berk over UVa because they like California. But I can see a ton of 0Ls reading this and thinking it makes sense for them to fly across the country for ND because it's their 'dream school' even though they want to work in Iowa (I knew a girl who did this). The time for spreading wings and exploring was in undergrad. "Fit" should be a secondary consideration, only after location, cost, and employment stats are factored in. It's a tie-breaker, nothing more.

Also, the whole "you will place higher at a lower ranked school" thing has little basis in reality.


^This.

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Re: Advice From a 3L on Choosing a Law School

Postby Mr. Frodo » Thu Mar 14, 2013 12:42 am

swc27 wrote:
Mr. Frodo wrote:
sinfiery wrote:Has to be Michigan.


+1 most def


And?


we're just mocking the fact that T9 doesn't actually exist




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