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NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:30 pm
by Sweetlady75
I have the majority of my decisions back and I am considering the following schools:

Fordham -- Full Tuition
Cardozo-- Full Tuition
Rutgers -Newark- In State Tuition
NYU-- I applied. I haven't been accepted. I probably won't get accepted..LOL.. but, I decided to throw it in anyway, just in case by some miracle, I do get in. I would like some feedback on this option as well, so I won't need to create an additional thread. --- I'm pretty sure it would be at full tuition.

A little background on a possible job prospect upon graduation; I have a family "friend” that is a partner at a law firm. I hope to be able to use this connection for my summer jobs and job upon graduation. But nothing is written in stone yet as I have not reached out to her yet concerning this matter.

So I would love your opinions on the best (guaranteed job) and worst (no job connection) case scenario. I plan to practice in the NY/NJ area.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:36 pm
by ManoftheHour
When you say "Full tuition," do you mean you have a full ride or are you paying sticker? If the former, then Fordham. If the latter, retake.

Also, reach out before you attend. It doesn't hurt. I made sure...and he's my uncle. It's nice to know whether you have a job lined up as backup or not.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:38 pm
by rad lulz
Sweetlady75 wrote:A little background on a possible job prospect upon graduation; I have a family "friend” that is a partner at a law firm. I hope to be able to use this connection for my summer jobs and job upon graduation. But nothing is written in stone yet as I have not reached out to her yet concerning this matter.

lol, just lol bro

You don't even know if this person would help you

None of those options are good.

Your best option, RU-N,, is still gonna be over $100k debt, and offers a 50/50 shot at a job

Retake or don't go

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:38 pm
by law2015
This is a pretty dumb question. If you get NYU what is there to consider? NYU is obviously the right choice given how much it is better than all other schools on your list. Fordham is the second option here.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:45 pm
by star fox
Sweetlady75 wrote:I have the majority of my decisions back and I am considering the following schools:

Fordham -- Full Tuition
Cardozo-- Full Tuition
Rutgers -Newark- In State Tuition
NYU-- I applied. I haven't been accepted. I probably won't get accepted..LOL.. but, I decided to throw it in anyway, just in case by some miracle, I do get in. I would like some feedback on this option as well, so I won't need to create an additional thread. --- I'm pretty sure it would be at full tuition.

A little background on a possible job prospect upon graduation; I have a family "friend” that is a partner at a law firm. I hope to be able to use this connection for my summer jobs and job upon graduation. But nothing is written in stone yet as I have not reached out to her yet concerning this matter.

So I would love your opinions on the best (guaranteed job) and worst (no job connection) case scenario. I plan to practice in the NY/NJ area.


Do this. Not everyone will be able to help you so you should figure out if this connection is strong or not. May depend on how strong the family friend is.. i.e. how much are they going to be willing to stick their neck out for you. And of course, their influence on hiring will be a significant factor. Probably a good chance they'll say "sorry, can't help, we only hire T14 grads".

As for your question, unless you get into NYU you should consider re-taking the LSAT and waiting a year.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:53 pm
by Sweetlady75
ManoftheHour wrote:When you say "Full tuition," do you mean you have a full ride or are you paying sticker? If the former, then Fordham. If the latter, retake.

Also, reach out before you attend. It doesn't hurt. I made sure...and he's my uncle. It's nice to know whether you have a job lined up as backup or not.



Sticker, unfortunately......:o/

I was planning to reach out to her once I hear back from NYU. I definitely will feel better about making this decision if I know that I have a back-up job. Although, I would much rather go to a firm where I have no affiliations. I don't know about re-taking...I dont want to see the LSAT ever again in life..LOL

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 2:58 pm
by Nova
Sweetlady75 wrote: I don't know about re-taking...I dont want to see the LSAT ever again in life..LOL


Thats really short sighted.

Retake

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198558&p=6092002#p6092002

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:05 pm
by ManoftheHour
Sweetlady75 wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:When you say "Full tuition," do you mean you have a full ride or are you paying sticker? If the former, then Fordham. If the latter, retake.

Also, reach out before you attend. It doesn't hurt. I made sure...and he's my uncle. It's nice to know whether you have a job lined up as backup or not.



Sticker, unfortunately......:o/

I was planning to reach out to her once I hear back from NYU. I definitely will feel better about making this decision if I know that I have a back-up job. Although, I would much rather go to a firm where I have no affiliations. I don't know about re-taking...I dont want to see the LSAT ever again in life..LOL


If you're absolutely set on attending one of these schools, at least register for the June LSAT. You have nothing to lose. The fact that you already know you're going somewhere might eliminate test day jitters. Even if you bomb it, no harm. If you improve drastically, then you have the option (which I'd highly recommend) of disregarding this cycle and reapply next with much better prospects. Start studying now!

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:12 pm
by wfudeacons2005
Taking money and employment prospects into account:

NYU>>>RU-N>>Fordham>>>Cardozo

But, as everyone else is saying, none of these are great.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 3:17 pm
by law2015
wfudeacons2005 wrote:Taking money and employment prospects into account:

NYU>>>RU-N>>Fordham>>>Cardozo

But, as everyone else is saying, none of these are great.


NYU is a pretty great option.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 4:48 pm
by rickgrimes69
If you are paying full boat at 'Dozo, you aren't getting into NYU.

All of these options are objectively terrible. Retake or do not go.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:20 pm
by timbs4339
Sweetlady75 wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:When you say "Full tuition," do you mean you have a full ride or are you paying sticker? If the former, then Fordham. If the latter, retake.

Also, reach out before you attend. It doesn't hurt. I made sure...and he's my uncle. It's nice to know whether you have a job lined up as backup or not.



Sticker, unfortunately......:o/

I was planning to reach out to her once I hear back from NYU. I definitely will feel better about making this decision if I know that I have a back-up job. Although, I would much rather go to a firm where I have no affiliations. I don't know about re-taking...I dont want to see the LSAT ever again in life..LOL


What kind of firm is this? If it is a large firm, don't count on her being able to help you even if she seems optimistic. There are probably dozens, if not hundreds, of relatives and family friends who attend law schools and know partners at various firms. What you should do is ask her if you could get a paralegal job and then study for the LSAT while working.

You need to retake. You won't take one year off to study for a damn test but you'll plop down 250K for schools with bad prospects? It makes no sense.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:23 pm
by wfudeacons2005
law2015 wrote:
wfudeacons2005 wrote:Taking money and employment prospects into account:

NYU>>>RU-N>>Fordham>>>Cardozo

But, as everyone else is saying, none of these are great.


NYU is a pretty great option.


I was operating under the assumption that someone who is paying sticker at those three places will not get into NYU.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:41 pm
by Sweetlady75
john7234797 wrote:
Sweetlady75 wrote:I have the majority of my decisions back and I am considering the following schools:

Fordham -- Full Tuition
Cardozo-- Full Tuition
Rutgers -Newark- In State Tuition
NYU-- I applied. I haven't been accepted. I probably won't get accepted..LOL.. but, I decided to throw it in anyway, just in case by some miracle, I do get in. I would like some feedback on this option as well, so I won't need to create an additional thread. --- I'm pretty sure it would be at full tuition.

A little background on a possible job prospect upon graduation; I have a family "friend” that is a partner at a law firm. I hope to be able to use this connection for my summer jobs and job upon graduation. But nothing is written in stone yet as I have not reached out to her yet concerning this matter.

So I would love your opinions on the best (guaranteed job) and worst (no job connection) case scenario. I plan to practice in the NY/NJ area.




Do this. Not everyone will be able to help you so you should figure out if this connection is strong or not. May depend on how strong the family friend is.. i.e. how much are they going to be willing to stick their neck out for you. And of course, their influence on hiring will be a significant factor. Probably a good chance they'll say "sorry, can't help, we only hire T14 grads".

As for your question, unless you get into NYU you should consider re-taking the LSAT and waiting a year.



She is one of the founding partners, so I'm guessing she would be able to influence the decision. I'm just going to go ahead and contact her. Hopefully, I will get the answer I'm looking for. I know she would have no problem with the summers, but as you said, they may be saving their permanent spots for T-14 grads...

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:47 pm
by Sweetlady75
ManoftheHour wrote:
Sweetlady75 wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:When you say "Full tuition," do you mean you have a full ride or are you paying sticker? If the former, then Fordham. If the latter, retake.

Also, reach out before you attend. It doesn't hurt. I made sure...and he's my uncle. It's nice to know whether you have a job lined up as backup or not.



Sticker, unfortunately......:o/

I was planning to reach out to her once I hear back from NYU. I definitely will feel better about making this decision if I know that I have a back-up job. Although, I would much rather go to a firm where I have no affiliations. I don't know about re-taking...I dont want to see the LSAT ever again in life..LOL


If you're absolutely set on attending one of these schools, at least register for the June LSAT. You have nothing to lose. The fact that you already know you're going somewhere might eliminate test day jitters. Even if you bomb it, no harm. If you improve drastically, then you have the option (which I'd highly recommend) of disregarding this cycle and reapply next with much better prospects. Start studying now!


Hmmm. i will have to give this alot of thought. I do understand your point though b/c the thought of paying all of that money in tuition even with NYU's job prospects, is quite scary. This is why I have been leaning toward Rutgers, but I know their outlook on jobs is not nearly as great. Tough decisions ahead.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:50 pm
by Sweetlady75
wfudeacons2005 wrote:Taking money and employment prospects into account:

NYU>>>RU-N>>Fordham>>>Cardozo

But, as everyone else is saying, none of these are great.



So you think NYU at sticker is worth it? (even thought it's not really an option at the moment) I have been leaning toward Rutgers due to the low tuition..

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 7:56 pm
by Sweetlady75
timbs4339 wrote:
Sweetlady75 wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:When you say "Full tuition," do you mean you have a full ride or are you paying sticker? If the former, then Fordham. If the latter, retake.

Also, reach out before you attend. It doesn't hurt. I made sure...and he's my uncle. It's nice to know whether you have a job lined up as backup or not.



Sticker, unfortunately......:o/

I was planning to reach out to her once I hear back from NYU. I definitely will feel better about making this decision if I know that I have a back-up job. Although, I would much rather go to a firm where I have no affiliations. I don't know about re-taking...I dont want to see the LSAT ever again in life..LOL


What kind of firm is this? If it is a large firm, don't count on her being able to help you even if she seems optimistic. There are probably dozens, if not hundreds, of relatives and family friends who attend law schools and know partners at various firms. What you should do is ask her if you could get a paralegal job and then study for the LSAT while working.

You need to retake. You won't take one year off to study for a damn test but you'll plop down 250K for schools with bad prospects? It makes no sense.


It has about 100 attorneys...

I hear you guys on the re-take... I knew most would be saying that..

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 8:00 pm
by ManoftheHour
Sweetlady75 wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:
Sweetlady75 wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:When you say "Full tuition," do you mean you have a full ride or are you paying sticker? If the former, then Fordham. If the latter, retake.

Also, reach out before you attend. It doesn't hurt. I made sure...and he's my uncle. It's nice to know whether you have a job lined up as backup or not.



Sticker, unfortunately......:o/

I was planning to reach out to her once I hear back from NYU. I definitely will feel better about making this decision if I know that I have a back-up job. Although, I would much rather go to a firm where I have no affiliations. I don't know about re-taking...I dont want to see the LSAT ever again in life..LOL


If you're absolutely set on attending one of these schools, at least register for the June LSAT. You have nothing to lose. The fact that you already know you're going somewhere might eliminate test day jitters. Even if you bomb it, no harm. If you improve drastically, then you have the option (which I'd highly recommend) of disregarding this cycle and reapply next with much better prospects. Start studying now!


Hmmm. i will have to give this alot of thought. I do understand your point though b/c the thought of paying all of that money in tuition even with NYU's job prospects, is quite scary. This is why I have been leaning toward Rutgers, but I know their outlook on jobs is not nearly as great. Tough decisions ahead.



I'm doing the same thing as I type this. Don't sell yourself and your future short. A few point increase could mean tens of thousands of dollars. Maybe your best has yet to come. Good luck!

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:18 pm
by NewYorkL
Rutgers. Best bargain out there.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:32 pm
by rad lulz
NewYorkL wrote:Rutgers. Best bargain out there.

After you consider the job prospects, not really.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:01 am
by NewYorkL
rad lulz wrote:
NewYorkL wrote:Rutgers. Best bargain out there.

After you consider the job prospects, not really.



If LST is the Bible we should all follow, then my statement seems reasonable. Rutgers has an employment score of 54.4% to Fordham's 57.5%. A 3% difference and 100k cheaper sounds like a bargain to me. This is of course considering NYU is off the table.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:02 am
by rad lulz
NewYorkL wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
NewYorkL wrote:Rutgers. Best bargain out there.

After you consider the job prospects, not really.



If LST is the Bible we should all follow, then my statement seems reasonable. Rutgers has an employment score of 54.4% to Fordham's 57.5%. A 3% difference and 100k cheaper sounds like a bargain to me. This is of course considering NYU is off the table.

Fordham is also a bad call dood

cmon

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:05 am
by timbs4339
Sweetlady75 wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:
Sweetlady75 wrote:
ManoftheHour wrote:When you say "Full tuition," do you mean you have a full ride or are you paying sticker? If the former, then Fordham. If the latter, retake.

Also, reach out before you attend. It doesn't hurt. I made sure...and he's my uncle. It's nice to know whether you have a job lined up as backup or not.



Sticker, unfortunately......:o/

I was planning to reach out to her once I hear back from NYU. I definitely will feel better about making this decision if I know that I have a back-up job. Although, I would much rather go to a firm where I have no affiliations. I don't know about re-taking...I dont want to see the LSAT ever again in life..LOL


What kind of firm is this? If it is a large firm, don't count on her being able to help you even if she seems optimistic. There are probably dozens, if not hundreds, of relatives and family friends who attend law schools and know partners at various firms. What you should do is ask her if you could get a paralegal job and then study for the LSAT while working.

You need to retake. You won't take one year off to study for a damn test but you'll plop down 250K for schools with bad prospects? It makes no sense.


It has about 100 attorneys...

I hear you guys on the re-take... I knew most would be saying that..


Yeah this isn't going to happen. Sorry to burst your bubble but these situations are common. If large firms hired every family friend or distant relative of a partner there would be no room in the summer class. Don't take out any debt on that promise for a bunch of reasons I won't bore you with.

See if she'll help you get a paralegal gig and work for a few years while retaking. Worst case scenario you get into the same schools and save some $$$.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:06 am
by Ti Malice
Sweetlady75 wrote:
wfudeacons2005 wrote:Taking money and employment prospects into account:

NYU>>>RU-N>>Fordham>>>Cardozo

But, as everyone else is saying, none of these are great.



So you think NYU at sticker is worth it? (even thought it's not really an option at the moment) I have been leaning toward Rutgers due to the low tuition..


NYU at sticker would make me nervous, but it would be several orders of magnitude better than your current options.

Re: NYU VS Fordam VS Cardozo VS Rutgers

Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 12:08 am
by NewYorkL
rad lulz wrote:
NewYorkL wrote:
rad lulz wrote:
NewYorkL wrote:Rutgers. Best bargain out there.

After you consider the job prospects, not really.



If LST is the Bible we should all follow, then my statement seems reasonable. Rutgers has an employment score of 54.4% to Fordham's 57.5%. A 3% difference and 100k cheaper sounds like a bargain to me. This is of course considering NYU is off the table.

Fordham is also a bad call dood

cmon



I agree. I'm just saying I agree with the following assessment.

wfudeacons2005 wrote:Taking money and employment prospects into account:

NYU>>>RU-N>>Fordham>>>Cardozo

But, as everyone else is saying, none of these are great.