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[20141023]

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[Tom Joad]

Patiently waiting for the Yale punchline.

[florida1949]

this list correlates really well with number of e-mails sent to potential law students.

[PRgradBYU]

this list correlates really well with number of e-mails sent to potential law students.

That's no coincidence (although I've never received an email from Whittier haha). The top schools' reputations speak for themselves.

[drmguy]

Patiently waiting for the Yale punchline.

The Yale punchline.

[A → B ⊨ ¬B → ¬A]

nice

[reyals]

Looks like I should have applied to Louisiana State

[Skye]

The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Quick Read:

The overall data shows 44,500 students received 24,000 JD jobs. 55% happy, 45% not so much.

T-14 snapshot. 3,977 JD jobs were provided to 4,784 students. 83% gained jobs, 17% no.

If you focus on the T-10…. 88% landed JD employment. Not employed down to 12%.

[cahwc12]

American finally cracks T20 in a ranking system!

[haus]

Sorry, cannot put faith in any such list where Regent University does not crack the top 3.

Thanks for sharing though.

[PRgradBYU]

Sorry, cannot put faith in any such list where Regent University does not crack the top 3.

Thanks for sharing though.

[John_rizzy_rawls]

The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Quick Read:

The overall data shows 44,500 students received 24,000 JD jobs. 55% happy, 45% not so much.

T-14 snapshot. 3,977 JD jobs were provided to 4,784 students. 83% gained jobs, 17% no.

If you focus on the T-10…. 88% landed JD employment. Not employed down to 12%.

Are you sober? Weird.

[dr123]

What's the deal with UPR, I refuse to believe their employment stats are that bad.

Also, why are Mississippi College of Law's numbers so much better than Ole Miss. The fuck?

[facile princeps]

An unranked St. Mary's University outperforming some of the T14. Nice.

[ms9]

Regulus,

Did you compile this from the self-reported data of law school? If so, nice job that must have taken a good while. I am trying, and failing, to reverse engineer the methodology for the rankings. Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks!

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[facile princeps]

Regulus,

Did you compile this from the self-reported data of law school? If so, nice job that must have taken a good while. I am trying, and failing, to reverse engineer the methodology for the rankings. Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks!

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% of graduates who secure JD-Required, Long-term, Full-Time jobs.

[ms9]

Regulus,

Did you compile this from the self-reported data of law school? If so, nice job that must have taken a good while. I am trying, and failing, to reverse engineer the methodology for the rankings. Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks!

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% of graduates who secure JD-Required, Long-term, Full-Time jobs.

"Am I missing something obvious" ---YES. Classic example of missing the forest through the trees! Thanks.

Edit: It even lined up sequentially! In my defense, I'm an idiot.

[rad lulz]

The Worst Law Schools for Lawyering

Quick Read:

The overall data shows 44,500 students received 24,000 JD jobs. 55% happy, 45% not so much.

T-14 snapshot. 3,977 JD jobs were provided to 4,784 students. 83% gained jobs, 17% no.

If you focus on the T-10…. 88% landed JD employment. Not employed down to 12%.

Just because you get a FT/LT job doesn't mean you are happy or that the job doesn't suck.

[haus]

Just because you get a FT/LT job doesn't mean you are happy or that the job doesn't suck.

+1

[JO 14]

I checked the numbers. Problem is; fulltime JD employment could entail “school funded.” In the case of UVA their school funded percentage is somewhere around a whopping 20% (give/take).

Since I do not personally know anyone having received a “school funded” job, I have to ask what does “school funded” actually mean? As in, how much $, for how long and exactly what does the “job” part of this employment entail? 20% of an estimated 300 person class means the school has employed 60 jobless students…. what is it that they do? (other than look for real work).

[NYstate]

These numbers have been broken out with the school numbers removed on LST. The thing is you have to click the big red asterisk and some people fall to do that.

Re: school jobs.

I never had one but they seem to vary widely by school. I don't think there is a one size fits all approach to this question. Some people do administrative work at the school and others work for not for profits to get experience.

One of them any scandals about law schools involved George Washington's ex-dean unilaterally declared he was lowering the pay of the many students in school funded jobs to 10 ( ten dollars) an hour from 15 dollars an hour because he felt they needed more incentives to find work.

--LinkRemoved--

The outcry caused him to reverse course and actually made people wonder how many grads were in the program. It lasts a year.

Other controversies include dean Z from Northwestern giving a very low and incorrect number when asked a question- something about the correct numbers would be on the website soon, but somehow she couldn't get them together in time for ASW ( or maybe it was just one day at Michingan)

Note that Yale also has school funded jobs but these seem to be highly coveted sponsored fellowships paid for through the school.

The reality is that most schools do this to improve employment stats. The numbers didnt used to have report then separately from the regular fulltime jobs. Now they do have to report these school funded jobs many people were shocked at how many students were being paid by the schools at even T14 schools. Virginia is one example with one out of five students paid through the school.

One more thing: be sure to find out how these jobs are obtained. An unemployed Duke grad posted last year about how she couldn't even find a school fellowship job so she had no employment.

[jeffyl00b]

Also, why are Mississippi College of Law's numbers so much better than Ole Miss. The fuck?

After reading so many things about what's gone on with Ole Miss' career services, it's actually not shocking me at all.

[Presidentjlh]

Seeing how high Nebraska and Creighton are in the list, I have to imagine market saturation is a big part of this. The legal market in Nebraska is much better than in more urban states, from what I can tell.

[Samara]

These numbers have been broken out with the school numbers removed on LST. The thing is you have to click the big red asterisk and some people fall to do that.

Re: school jobs.

I never had one but they seem to vary widely by school. I don't think there is a one size fits all approach to this question. Some people do administrative work at the school and others work for not for profits to get experience.

One of them any scandals about law schools involved George Washington's ex-dean unilaterally declared he was lowering the pay of the many students in school funded jobs to 10 ( ten dollars) an hour from 15 dollars an hour because he felt they needed more incentives to find work.

--LinkRemoved--

The outcry caused him to reverse course and actually made people wonder how many grads were in the program. It lasts a year.

Other controversies include dean Z from Northwestern giving a very low and incorrect number when asked a question- something about the correct numbers would be on the website soon, but somehow she couldn't get them together in time for ASW ( or maybe it was just one day at Michingan)

Note that Yale also has school funded jobs but these seem to be highly coveted sponsored fellowships paid for through the school.

The reality is that most schools do this to improve employment stats. The numbers didnt used to have report then separately from the regular fulltime jobs. Now they do have to report these school funded jobs many people were shocked at how many students were being paid by the schools at even T14 schools. Virginia is one example with one out of five students paid through the school.

One more thing: be sure to find out how these jobs are obtained. An unemployed Duke grad posted last year about how she couldn't even find a school fellowship job so she had no employment.

Dean Z from Michigan, not Northwestern. Don't go dragging down NU with UMich.

[09042014]

How come Yale super preftsiguous fellowships suddenly exploded in number after 2008?