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Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby rwhyAn » Thu Feb 28, 2013 12:39 pm

We'll see if this actually happens. I think it will be a good idea to finally merge the two. I would really love for them to have a presence in New Brunswick.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/20130228_Rutgers_plans_to_merge_its_law_schools.html

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby timbs4339 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:42 pm

I can't imagine them consolidating facilities. Maybe they will be able to cut administrative costs and lower the number of students. Jersey schools will still be overproducing JDs but maybe it will lessen the number.

I can't think of any other state with two public law schools that will likely merge. Maybe Arizona?

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby rebexness » Thu Feb 28, 2013 2:46 pm

timbs4339 wrote:I can't imagine them consolidating facilities. Maybe they will be able to cut administrative costs and lower the number of students. Jersey schools will still be overproducing JDs but maybe it will lessen the number.

I can't think of any other state with two public law schools that will likely merge. Maybe Arizona?


No way, because they are two different university systems.

Indiana maybe. Some of the UCs? Arkansas?

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby timbs4339 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:11 pm

rebexness wrote:
timbs4339 wrote:I can't imagine them consolidating facilities. Maybe they will be able to cut administrative costs and lower the number of students. Jersey schools will still be overproducing JDs but maybe it will lessen the number.

I can't think of any other state with two public law schools that will likely merge. Maybe Arizona?


No way, because they are two different university systems.

Indiana maybe. Some of the UCs? Arkansas?


It always seemed like the UCs are too indpendent. Berkeley would never merge. UCI is basically a stand alone school and are trying to be UCLA. UCLA wouldn't merge with UCI, UCD, or UCH since it might drop them out of the T20. Hastings has a completely different structure in that they aren't state funded. That leaves Davis out in the cold.

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby cooldude87 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 3:20 pm

I guess the weekly postcards didn't convince enough people

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby wfudeacons2005 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 4:25 pm

As a current student, I think this is a great idea. Hopefully within ten years they build a brand new building in New Brunswick and enroll a student body equal in size to one of the schools now. Considering how over-saturated this state's legal market is, it absolutely does not need two public law schools or even one public law school with two campuses. One RU Law would be more competitive in its admissions and far better funded.

Despite a lot of the stuff that gets thrown around on here for people who want to stay in New Jersey, aren't wedded to big law and want to keep debt down, Rutgers makes a lot of sense. Does it guarantee you a legal job? Not at all, but it is not a name that you have to apologize for within state lines and it can get better.

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby rickgrimes69 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 5:38 pm

kappycaft1 wrote:Interesting... So "it" has officially begun.

Now if only we could convince Cooley, Thomas Jefferson, and Regents to merge shut down...

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby 20130312 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:36 pm

Current student here, just received this from the Chancellor of the Camden Campus:

To the Campus Community:

I am pleased to report upon the following activity that occurred at the Rutgers Board of Governors’ regularly scheduled meeting on the Newark campus earlier today:

[Irrelevant stuff redacted] ...

During the public session of the board meeting, President Robert L. Barchi spoke about discussions between the faculties of the Schools of Law at Camden and Newark to strengthen legal education at Rutgers. These conversations have yielded a proposal to create a single Rutgers Law School with programs on every campus. This innovative concept has the potential to propel Rutgers into the top echelons of public law schools, and to elevate the Camden Campus while doing so. There are many details to be discussed, and Law Dean Rayman Solomon and I will provide updates as the concept progresses.

These initiatives hold great promise for the future of our campus. As always, thank you for all that you do on behalf of Rutgers–Camden.

Wendell E. Pritchett, J.D., Ph.D.
Chancellor

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby thisiswater » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:39 pm

So not decreasing student number then?

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby 20130312 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 6:42 pm

thisiswater wrote:So not decreasing student number then?

Not on purpose. Seems like they believe they'll have enough students to build an additional law school campus in New Brunswick. Fucking lol at this colossal waste of a good opportunity.

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby steakandchicken » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:05 pm

A campus in New Brunswick makes no sense. What market will it feed into?

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby wfudeacons2005 » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:09 pm

there's no way that they create a completely new 3rd campus there.

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby 2LT_CPG » Thu Feb 28, 2013 7:09 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:
thisiswater wrote:So not decreasing student number then?

Not on purpose. Seems like they believe they'll have enough students to build an additional law school campus in New Brunswick. Fucking lol at this colossal waste of a good opportunity.

That's not what they said though, they're saying there will be programs on all three campuses. That doesn't mean another school effectively gets opened in New Brunswick. It just means they might start offering some classes there, while keeping the law school's two main campuses in Camden and Newark.

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby rwhyAn » Fri Mar 01, 2013 11:39 am

2LT_CPG wrote:
InGoodFaith wrote:
thisiswater wrote:So not decreasing student number then?

Not on purpose. Seems like they believe they'll have enough students to build an additional law school campus in New Brunswick. Fucking lol at this colossal waste of a good opportunity.

That's not what they said though, they're saying there will be programs on all three campuses. That doesn't mean another school effectively gets opened in New Brunswick. It just means they might start offering some classes there, while keeping the law school's two main campuses in Camden and Newark.


There's a Camden law professor that posts on the Scarlet Nation message board that has mentioned in the past that the New Brunswick course offerings would most likely be for some sort of 'legal studies' undergraduate major. As a RU New Brunswick employee, I'd love for them to offer the part-time JD program here so that I could take advantage of the full tuition remission. However, I'm not holding out too much hope on them relocating here anytime soon. Plus, at the board of governors meeting last night, they were prioritizing $410M worth of future building projects without the mention of a new law building. Who knows, though. They are opening a brand new business school building in NB this fall when the Newark one went through millions of dollars of renovations recently. I guess only time will tell.

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby 20130312 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:03 pm

The NB business school has been in the works for years though, since at least 2009 IIRC.

Also, can you link me to the Scarlet Nation post you mentioned?

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Postby keg411 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:16 pm

As a NJ resident who was at one of the law schools for 1L, I think this is a fantastic idea if done right. The Philly.com article that I read seemed to emphasize it's partially being done to lower school costs, so hopefully that happens too; although there was no mention of a New Brunswick campus there. I think they also want to increase the reputation of the "school" so hopefully they'll realize that a smaller class size is needed.

My guess is in the early years, students will basically get assigned to one campus for 1L and then can take classes at either for 2L/3L? Or maybe in the future the 1L classes will all be in NB, and then after that you pick Newark or Camden depending on where you want to work/what classes you want to take? Honestly, as long as they stand by their goal of making tuition cheaper, I will 100% support it.

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby 20130312 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:20 pm

You have much more faith in the administration than I do, keg :lol:

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Postby rwhyAn » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:34 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:The NB business school has been in the works for years though, since at least 2009 IIRC.

Also, can you link me to the Scarlet Nation post you mentioned?


Here's one from a few weeks ago. I know it was also mentioned last year during the merger talks, but I can't seem to find it.

http://rutgers.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=2330&tid=162116415&mid=162116415&sid=988&style=2

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby keg411 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:43 pm

InGoodFaith wrote:You have much more faith in the administration than I do, keg :lol:


I may be partially biased because I got to know some people in the administration while doing my work-study in the admissions office :lol:. And I do trust that the faculty (at least the younger members) seems to have a pretty good idea what's going on in legal education based on some conversations with them.

I also like them/trust them more than the administration at my current school. But you can see that reflected in the awfulness of where we've fallen to the in "Go-to-Law Schools" thread :lol:.

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby jack5on » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:44 pm

This has put a major dent in the chances I will attend the school. As a part time student that works full time in NY I simply cannot risk the chance that the school's location will be changed, or some classes will be too far away.

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Postby wfudeacons2005 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 3:50 pm

jack5on wrote:This has put a major dent in the chances I will attend the school. As a part time student that works full time in NY I simply cannot risk the chance that the school's location will be changed, or some classes will be too far away.


This is not going to happen in the next 4 years. No one is talking about moving away from the Newark or Camden campuses. There would be tons of people working in New York and Philadelphia who would be outraged just like you.

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Re: Rutgers plans to merge its law schools

Postby paintbynumbers » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:01 pm

There is zero chance either law schools move out of the cities they are located in bc they are so engrained into the community and New Brunswick offers nothing. Rutgers-Camden is in a dilapidated area, and the community relies on the law school and all the clinics they offer poor and disabled residents. Same can be said for Rutgers Newark. Also, Rutgers-Camden has a federal courthouse across the street and another across the river in philly. Rutgers newark has a federal courthouse in its vicinity as well. Also, RC has ties to Philly, RN to North Jersey and NYC. Rutgers at NB campus would be illogical and will not happen bc there little to none employment prospects, nor a federal courthouse that is very close.

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Postby 20130312 » Fri Mar 01, 2013 4:04 pm

paintbynumbers wrote:There is zero chance either law schools move out of the cities they are located in bc they are so engrained into the community and New Brunswick offers nothing. Rutgers-Camden is in a dilapidated area, and the community relies on the law school and all the clinics they offer poor and disabled residents. Same can be said for Rutgers Newark. Also, Rutgers-Camden has a federal courthouse across the street and another across the river in philly. Rutgers newark has a federal courthouse in its vicinity as well. Also, RC has ties to Philly, RN to North Jersey and NYC. Rutgers at NB campus would be illogical and will not happen bc there little to none employment prospects, nor a federal courthouse that is very close.

These are all great points, but unless you are President Barchi you can't say with 100% certainty that the campus situation won't change.




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