NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby JamesDean1955 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:52 am

rad lulz wrote:This list is a lot less useful now that we can get the ABA numbers come March


Why is that?

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby Crowing » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:52 am

JamesDean1955 wrote:
Dmini7 wrote:
Crowing wrote:Also look at UCLA/USC and BC/BU. Maybe this will stop the trolling for any of these individual schools for a while. But it probably won't.


I do not think the trolling has stopped, and I am fairly certain I just fed a troll :(. I am not a smart man. :oops:

edit: I also wouldn't say they were killing it, the difference was still pretty negligible in my opinion. If i recall correctly, it has consistently been within 3% of eachother.


LOL no, I could care less about either of these schools (no offense to anyone who goes there), bc I'm east coast all the way baby.


He's not talking about you. There's a stupid argument going on in the UCLA c/o 2016 thread.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby goldeneye » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:52 am

Ouch, WUSTL got hammered. That class was 300 though. New 1L class is only 200.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby Tiago Splitter » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:54 am

law2015 wrote:The new NLJ confirms that schools are doing much better. NYU placed 53% into NLJ 250 and probably another 10 percent or so into market paying jobs outside of NLJ 250. Also, the past few years they have been placing around 12 to 13 percent into AIII clerkships. That would make it about 75 percent of biglaw + AIII without accounting for those self selecting into public interest or getting good jobs in business.

LOL no. They've never placed 10% into market paying BigLaw outside of the NLJ 250, nor have they placed 12-13% into article III clerkships.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

JamesDean1955 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:This list is a lot less useful now that we can get the ABA numbers come March


Why is that?

Because the new ABA data breaks it down very well. It also doesn't suffer from the NLJ 250 problem of firms simply not responding.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:55 am

JamesDean1955 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:This list is a lot less useful now that we can get the ABA numbers come March


Why is that?

Because the survey breaks it down into firm sizes and also has the federal clerkship numbers.

Back when I decided to go to law school this list was a lot cooler because it was basically the only "real" data available.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby Crowing » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:55 am

goldeneye wrote:Ouch, WUSTL got hammered. That class was 300 though. New 1L class is only 200.


It's up 3% from last year, which seems to be a pretty average increase considering the overall improvement between this year and last year.

Also posted this in the WUSTL thread:
It's not actually that bad when you consider that the schools ahead of WUSTL are 1) the T14 2) traditionally the 4 schools right outside the T14 (UCLA/UT/Vandy/USC) 3) schools known for being biglaw feeders (Fordham/BC/BU/GWU) 4) the inaugural graduating class of a tiny school that all attended on full schollys (UCI) and 5) UIUC. Lol UIUC is really the only one that surprises me.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby JamesDean1955 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 12:58 am

rad lulz wrote:
JamesDean1955 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:This list is a lot less useful now that we can get the ABA numbers come March


Why is that?

Because the survey breaks it down into firm sizes and also has the federal clerkship numbers.

Back when I decided to go to law school this list was a lot cooler because it was basically the only "real" data available.


Ah ok I gotcha.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby law2015 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:00 am

Tiago Splitter wrote:
law2015 wrote:The new NLJ confirms that schools are doing much better. NYU placed 53% into NLJ 250 and probably another 10 percent or so into market paying jobs outside of NLJ 250. Also, the past few years they have been placing around 12 to 13 percent into AIII clerkships. That would make it about 75 percent of biglaw + AIII without accounting for those self selecting into public interest or getting good jobs in business.

LOL no. They've never placed 10% into market paying BigLaw outside of the NLJ 250, nor have they placed 12-13% into article III clerkships.

http://www.law.nyu.edu/careerservices/e ... /index.htm

JamesDean1955 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:This list is a lot less useful now that we can get the ABA numbers come March


Why is that?

Because the new ABA data breaks it down very well. It also doesn't suffer from the NLJ 250 problem of firms simply not responding.


I just checked and you are right, they placed 11.5 percent into AIII clerkships last two years. The 10 percent into market paying firm jobs is a bit of a stretch but i am sure the number is significant. Either way, market big law and clerkships should account for roughly 70 percent of the 2012 class before PI which is big at NYU.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby stillwater » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:01 am

I can't wait for the BC/BU trolling to start

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby jenesaislaw » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:33 am

LST just put up an FAQ: http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/20 ... tatistics/

Happy to add to it if people have suggestions.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby Rahviveh » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:36 am

jenesaislaw wrote:LST just put up an FAQ: http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/20 ... tatistics/

Happy to add to it if people have suggestions.

Well it says 2011 :D otherwise looks great!

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby jenesaislaw » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:38 am

ChampagnePapi wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:LST just put up an FAQ: http://www.lawschooltransparency.com/20 ... tatistics/

Happy to add to it if people have suggestions.

Well it says 2011 :D otherwise looks great!


Nah-uh!

(Thanks.)

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby Lasers » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:54 am

Crowing wrote:
JamesDean1955 wrote:
Crowing wrote:Also look at UCLA/USC and BC/BU. Maybe this will stop the trolling for any of these individual schools for a while. But it probably won't.


Rankings drop for UCLA? Oh wait, that's right, USNWR rankings don't count useful shit.


IIRC USC has been killing UCLA for biglaw % in the past couple of years, which has been fuel for quite a bit of "USC is actually better than UCLA" trolling.

anyone that says usc and ucla aren't peer schools is misguided.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby Lasers » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:58 am

and wow...davis placed only 17 students out of almost 200 into the nlj 250?

more proof how ridiculous the us news rankings are.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby Crowing » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:59 am

rad lulz wrote:
JamesDean1955 wrote:
rad lulz wrote:This list is a lot less useful now that we can get the ABA numbers come March


Why is that?

Because the survey breaks it down into firm sizes and also has the federal clerkship numbers.

Back when I decided to go to law school this list was a lot cooler because it was basically the only "real" data available.


Yeah this is interesting only because it's first and nothing else is available atm. In a few weeks once more detailed data comes out nobody is gonna give a shit about this anymore.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby stratocophic » Sat Feb 23, 2013 1:59 am

Crowing wrote:
goldeneye wrote:Ouch, WUSTL got hammered. That class was 300 though. New 1L class is only 200.


It's up 3% from last year, which seems to be a pretty average increase considering the overall improvement between this year and last year.

Also posted this in the WUSTL thread:
It's not actually that bad when you consider that the schools ahead of WUSTL are 1) the T14 2) traditionally the 4 schools right outside the T14 (UCLA/UT/Vandy/USC) 3) schools known for being biglaw feeders (Fordham/BC/BU/GWU) 4) the inaugural graduating class of a tiny school that all attended on full schollys (UCI) and 5) UIUC. Lol UIUC is really the only one that surprises me.
Bear in mind that WUSTL takes an assload o' transfers, along with losing a lot (say, 1/4 or 1/3 of the people who could've gotten biglaw) to the T14 anyway. Not sure if the second applies to Illinois, but I'll bet the first doesn't.

Or TTT in decline etc etc, whatever

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby bizzybone1313 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:01 am

So what exactly about Michigan is making it go downhill? Location?

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby stratocophic » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:01 am

Also: LOL ASU, just LOL.

T25 USNWR WAHOOOOOOO

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby 06102016 » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:03 am

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby rad lulz » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:04 am

stratocophic wrote:Also: LOL ASU, just LOL.

T25 USNWR WAHOOOOOOO

The DROVES of employers who showed up at OCI this year will not be reflected until we can see the c/o 2014 stats. Cmon bro.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby quakeroats » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:06 am

Dmini7 wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:HYS, CCP, N/N/V/B/C/D/M, G
Did anyone else notice Duke's 10% shift from last years 38%?


Yep.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby stratocophic » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:07 am

rad lulz wrote:
stratocophic wrote:Also: LOL ASU, just LOL.

T25 USNWR WAHOOOOOOO

The DROVES of employers who showed up at OCI this year will not be reflected until we can see the c/o 2014 stats. Cmon bro.
GD it, it's like I'm not even thinking like a lawyer at all here.

Also, anyone think we'll see a marked decrease in Jawjuh Bulldawg trolling in the very near future vs. Emory?

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby quakeroats » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:10 am

bizzybone1313 wrote:So what exactly about Michigan is making it go downhill? Location?


Big class, terrible location, what comes to mind when you hear the word "Michigan", etc.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby Lasers » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:13 am

quakeroats wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:So what exactly about Michigan is making it go downhill? Location?


Big class, terrible location, what comes to mind when you hear the word "Michigan", etc.

yep.

they just don't have a viable home market.

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Re: NLJ 250 Placement for C/O 2012

Postby Crowing » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:24 am

Lasers wrote:
quakeroats wrote:
bizzybone1313 wrote:So what exactly about Michigan is making it go downhill? Location?


Big class, terrible location, what comes to mind when you hear the word "Michigan", etc.

yep.

they just don't have a viable home market.


IIRC Michigan was doing better before ITE which sorta lends credence to the lacking home market theory. Michigan tends to spread its grads but the theory is that when positions are few and firms have to cut hiring Michigan gets fucked because they're not the primary feeder into those firms. So NYC firms cut positions for Michigan grads in favor of CLS/NYU/Penn/Cornell grads, Chicago firms for UChi/NU, Cal firms for Stanford/Boalt, etc. I have no idea how true this is or not but on paper it makes sense.




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