somewhatwayward wrote: Crowing wrote:
goldeneye wrote:Ouch, WUSTL got hammered. That class was 300 though. New 1L class is only 200.
It's up 3% from last year, which seems to be a pretty average increase considering the overall improvement between this year and last year.
Also posted this in the WUSTL thread:
It's not actually that bad when you consider that the schools ahead of WUSTL are 1) the T14 2) traditionally the 4 schools right outside the T14 (UCLA/UT/Vandy/USC) 3) schools known for being biglaw feeders (Fordham/BC/BU/GWU) 4) the inaugural graduating class of a tiny school that all attended on full schollys (UCI) and 5) UIUC. Lol UIUC is really the only one that surprises me.
That last quote sounds like some serious rationalization. Perhaps that is a little harsh since they basically placed in line with their peers ND and UIUC. I guess I am reacting to that in the context of the crazy blind love in the WUSTL c/o 2016 admissions thread.
I'll chime in a few of my thoughts:
We didn't get "hammered." We're right where we usually are, and up 3% from last year, which is consistent with a slow recovery like the one we're in. I don't think anyone is surprised by this data. Throw in AIII and prestigious state court clerkships and we come in right around 20%, which is about what I would have predicted before this data came out.
A couple of things related to our class demographics tend to hurt us a bit in job placement, and make things look a little worse for incoming 0Ls than they actually are: 1) big transfer classes, 2) decent sized LLM --> JD transfer classes (a lot of the Asian foreign students stick around and get JDs and shoot for jobs here), and 3) in the past few years, much bigger than average class sizes (our class is over 300, the current 1L class is at 200 I think). The transfers and LLM --> JD classes do worse on average than the students who are here from 1L on, and the bigger class size makes it harder to place everyone.
I'm not rationalizing our placement, because it's right where I thought it would be. And no way I would recommend paying sticker or close to it for a WUSTL degree absent some truly unique circumstances. WUSTL is not a biglaw powerhouse by any stretch, and expecting to land it is going to be a fool's errand for most students. But for those of you 0Ls and 1Ls wondering, "What are my
odds at an NLJ 250 job if I go to WUSTL?" I'd say around 25%-30% for the c/o 2015-2016, if I were to speculate, due to 1) the number being deflated a bit by the LLM->JDs and transfers (which I'm not including in that estimate), 2) slow but continued market improvement, and 3) most importantly, a much smaller class size.