UVA, NYU or Columbia
Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2013 1:14 am
Which one should I go to? I want to eventually live in DC
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It's not "a few %" it's 61.4% for CLS v. 37.1% for UVANDJ wrote:take the $ and run brah - 90k is a lot. and try to negotiate with the other two..
TLS conventional wisdom seems to be that if CLS/NYU are any more 'nationally portable' than UVA and other non"T6" schools, its by a very slim margin. but i am pretty new on here so i may be wrong...im sure others will disagree.. either way i think going into major debt ite should only be a final resort.. 90k is a LOT of money to pay for a few % of biglaw chances.. (assuming this is what you want)
congrats either way!
Don't misrepresent based on one year's data. If you're a pessimist and honestly think that trend will continue, go ahead, I don't agree with that TLS notion. A better number is the five-year averages (someone should update this btw):helix23 wrote:It's not "a few %" it's 61.4% for CLS v. 37.1% for UVANDJ wrote:take the $ and run brah - 90k is a lot. and try to negotiate with the other two..
TLS conventional wisdom seems to be that if CLS/NYU are any more 'nationally portable' than UVA and other non"T6" schools, its by a very slim margin. but i am pretty new on here so i may be wrong...im sure others will disagree.. either way i think going into major debt ite should only be a final resort.. 90k is a LOT of money to pay for a few % of biglaw chances.. (assuming this is what you want)
congrats either way!
Jimmy, I gave last year's big law numbers, not sure how that makes me a pessimist making prognostications about trends? I also think that last year's numbers are more helpful than a 5 year average. I don't think 2007 is totally relevant.JamesDean1955 wrote:Don't misrepresent based on one year's data. If you're a pessimist and honestly think that trend will continue, go ahead, I don't agree with that TLS notion. A better number is the five-year averages (someone should update this btw):helix23 wrote:It's not "a few %" it's 61.4% for CLS v. 37.1% for UVANDJ wrote:take the $ and run brah - 90k is a lot. and try to negotiate with the other two..
TLS conventional wisdom seems to be that if CLS/NYU are any more 'nationally portable' than UVA and other non"T6" schools, its by a very slim margin. but i am pretty new on here so i may be wrong...im sure others will disagree.. either way i think going into major debt ite should only be a final resort.. 90k is a LOT of money to pay for a few % of biglaw chances.. (assuming this is what you want)
congrats either way!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... pUVE#gid=0
I'm guessing people who entered Law School in 2010 probably thought the same thing (not just from the Top 14, but definitely including them). I wonder how that's working out for many of those people as they prepare to graduate and enter the over-saturated job market in a few months. The most important numbers for employment are last year's. Expecting a "bounce-back" or that "it'll get better" is always a risky proposition.JamesDean1955 wrote:^ I know you did, straight from LST. We disagree in that I think UVA had a bad year last go around, and it ain't gonna continue in the future (I think this will be true of most non-HYSCCN T14's). I would expect that number to go back up in the high 40's in the next year. Whether you agree with that or not, a 5 year average (even with 2007) is a better representation than a one year statistic.
Take out 2007, add in 2012 figures, and UVA will come out ahead while Columbia will be unchanged.
EDIT: Disclaimer: UVA isn't even a top choice of mine at this point, so no UVA trollin' here.
The question is the difference between UVA/CLS (24% for 2011 vs 11% for the years before it). Will that difference revert back to pre-ITE levels?john7234797 wrote:I'm guessing people who entered Law School in 2010 probably thought the same thing (not just from the Top 14, but definitely including them). I wonder how that's working out for many of those people as they prepare to graduate and enter the over-saturated job market in a few months. The most important numbers for employment are last year's. Expecting a "bounce-back" or that "it'll get better" is always a risky proposition.JamesDean1955 wrote:^ I know you did, straight from LST. We disagree in that I think UVA had a bad year last go around, and it ain't gonna continue in the future (I think this will be true of most non-HYSCCN T14's). I would expect that number to go back up in the high 40's in the next year. Whether you agree with that or not, a 5 year average (even with 2007) is a better representation than a one year statistic.
Take out 2007, add in 2012 figures, and UVA will come out ahead while Columbia will be unchanged.
EDIT: Disclaimer: UVA isn't even a top choice of mine at this point, so no UVA trollin' here.
Wait, are you criticizing people for studying/citing real stats as opposed to proffering flowery, baseless proclamations about how things are going to get better?JamesDean1955 wrote:Completely risk-averse people should not even be considering law school, outside of HYS WITH financial aid. There's definitely risk involved in making positive speculations, and TLS doesn't like optimism and reads LST every night like it's the bible, but I think we have seen the worst. The worst things will be from here on out is stagnant, due to the oversaturation of the market and changes in firm structures. That's the worst it will be.
I'm criticizing you not seeing the forest for the trees. You apparently haven't lived long enough to realize that the economy is cyclical and will bounce back, including the legal market. Constantly reading about how bad things are now makes you nothing more than some moron with tunnel-vision.helix23 wrote:Wait, are you criticizing people for studying/citing real stats as opposed to proffering flowery, baseless proclamations about how things are going to get better?JamesDean1955 wrote:Completely risk-averse people should not even be considering law school, outside of HYS WITH financial aid. There's definitely risk involved in making positive speculations, and TLS doesn't like optimism and reads LST every night like it's the bible, but I think we have seen the worst. The worst things will be from here on out is stagnant, due to the oversaturation of the market and changes in firm structures. That's the worst it will be.
LST is based on c/o 2011 which was supposedly rock bottom, and things have allegedly gotten better since then - and now have plateaued: http://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/v ... 3&t=204171helix23 wrote:Wait, are you criticizing people for studying/citing real stats as opposed to proffering flowery, baseless proclamations about how things are going to get better?JamesDean1955 wrote:Completely risk-averse people should not even be considering law school, outside of HYS WITH financial aid. There's definitely risk involved in making positive speculations, and TLS doesn't like optimism and reads LST every night like it's the bible, but I think we have seen the worst. The worst things will be from here on out is stagnant, due to the oversaturation of the market and changes in firm structures. That's the worst it will be.