Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

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Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby bakeonb » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:02 am

There are actually others, but in considering the NYC legal market what would be a better choice:

Cardozo (18k)
Seton Hall (35k)

both stips are to 75% of class.

Others I'm considering:

American (7.5k) (and I currently live and work in DC)
Syracuse (35k with possible full tuition)
Wake Forest (15k)
Northeastern (20k)

In general, since I'm considering mid-level schools, should I tend to opt for more money or highest ranked?

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby stillwater » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:04 am

you should retake that LSAT and go to a better school.

definitely not Seton Hall.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby dirtrida2 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:05 am

Numbers?

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby bakeonb » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:08 am

161/3.5

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby stillwater » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:10 am

bakeonb wrote:161/3.5


Retake that LSAT broheim, you could end up at a real good school or at least get a lot more money.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby dirtrida2 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:11 am

Any luck negotiating?

TBH - You're going to see a lot of posts telling you to retake.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby timbs4339 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:16 am

What kind of law do you want to practice?

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby star fox » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:16 am

From what I know isn't the NYC market super over-saturated? Didn't the scam blogger movement origins begin with people that spent a lot of money at those schools and ended up without lawyer jobs?

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby bakeonb » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:20 am

Nat'l sec/telecommunications law/internet law preferably. I'm flexible though and I could probably see myself changing, but I definitely what to practice. I work as a paralegal now and have gotten enough experience to say I would be happy practicing in other areas such as immigration (where I work now), corp, IP.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby omg clay aiken ! » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:26 am

Everyone here will probably disagree with this, but Syracuse for free would be a good choice if you want to do something national security related because you could get a joint degree from Maxwell.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby dirtrida2 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:33 am

omg clay aiken ! wrote:Everyone here will probably disagree with this, but Syracuse for free would be a good choice if you want to do something national security related because you could get a joint degree from Maxwell.



Oh no, not another "specialties" bump.

I see some flames incoming.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby stillwater » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:34 am

omg clay aiken ! wrote:Everyone here will probably disagree with this, but Syracuse for free would be a good choice if you want to do something national security related because you could get a joint degree from Maxwell.


Yes, yes they will.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby bakeonb » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:39 am

Well here's a question: if all of these are "meh" schools to everybody, shouldn't I just take the money and run if I would be happy at the place? Given that the school is legit or at least legit enough (which these are) of course.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby stillwater » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:39 am

bakeonb wrote:Well here's a question: if all of these are "meh" schools to everybody, shouldn't I just take the money and run if I would be happy at the place? Given that the school is legit or at least legit enough (which these are) of course.


the problem is getting a job post-graduation.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby timbs4339 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:42 am

omg clay aiken ! wrote:Everyone here will probably disagree with this, but Syracuse for free would be a good choice if you want to do something national security related because you could get a joint degree from Maxwell.


No. Specialty programs are worthless. There was a thread about the program awhile back where the overwhelming consensus was that you needed prior military or LE experience to get a national security job.

bakeonb wrote:Nat'l sec/telecommunications law/internet law preferably. I'm flexible though and I could probably see myself changing, but I definitely what to practice. I work as a paralegal now and have gotten enough experience to say I would be happy practicing in other areas such as immigration (where I work now), corp, IP.


Look, national security/telecom/internet law are tiny, tiny specialties that are highly in demand by students at top schools. There are no entry-level jobs in those fields and the best thing to do is work DC biglaw or for a federal agency and eventually develop skills in those areas. None of the above are going to get you to where you need to be.

Corp/IP are just typical biglaw areas. None of those schools are good bets.

Immigration is different. If you have language skills or experience, you could probably get an immigration job in the NYC area. There are a ton of small firms who will be happy to pick up a cheap associate. So take the cheapest school you can find, preferably free.

The point is that if you really want to be a corporate lawyer, or an IP lawyer, you should follow your dream by retaking the LSAT and getting into schools where those are realistic options and not pipe dreams.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby bakeonb » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:44 am

Well according to lst, there all at about 45-60 for job prospects except American which is at 35. If that's the case why not go for the least debt? Overall this would be Syracuse 2. Seton Hall, 3. Wake Forest.

Retaking lsat is not an option.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby timbs4339 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:46 am

bakeonb wrote:Well according to lst, there all at about 45-60 for job prospects except American which is at 35. If that's the case why not go for the least debt? Overall this would be Syracuse 2. Seton Hall, 3. Wake Forest.

Retaking lsat is not an option.


Why not?

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby stillwater » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:51 am

timbs4339 wrote:
bakeonb wrote:Well according to lst, there all at about 45-60 for job prospects except American which is at 35. If that's the case why not go for the least debt? Overall this would be Syracuse 2. Seton Hall, 3. Wake Forest.

Retaking lsat is not an option.


Why not?


Dude, frankly, these are shitty schools. They probably won't get you a job that pays enough to service your debt or a job at all.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby somewhatwayward » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:24 am

Retake the LSAT is the correct response unless (1) you jettison the corp/IP goal to the backburner and turn the flame off; (2) you are completely okay with a boring 40K/year legal job when you graduate; and (3) you also recognize that there is a not insignificant risk that you will end up with no legal job at all. If you really understand those three things and accept them, then choose the cheapest of these schools, but cross American off the list....no reason to go to a school that places 1/3 of its grads into legal jobs. It belongs in the TTTTT.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby Crowing » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:44 am

bakeonb wrote:Well according to lst, there all at about 45-60 for job prospects except American which is at 35. If that's the case why not go for the least debt? Overall this would be Syracuse 2. Seton Hall, 3. Wake Forest.

Retaking lsat is not an option.


you are correct that lower cost is a better choice than higher rank for those schools, but note that "employment score" alone doesn't tell you everything about the desirability of available jobs. at these schools even if you are part of the 50% with a job the vast majority of those jobs are going to be very low paying.

i assume when you say you're interested in IP that you're eligible?

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby ndirish2010 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:51 am

Oh boy, not another one of these people. Did TLS delete the search function or something?

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby romothesavior » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:15 pm

bakeonb wrote:Well according to lst, there all at about 45-60 for job prospects except American which is at 35. If that's the case why not go for the least debt? Overall this would be Syracuse 2. Seton Hall, 3. Wake Forest.

Retaking lsat is not an option.

Actually it is, and you are almost certainly looking at no job or a terrible job from any of these schools. Your best options are:

1. Don't go
2. Retake
3. Cheapest option

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby uvabro » Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:21 pm

If OP goes to all 3, and aggregates the odds - he'd have almost a 50% chance of big law. just enroll in 5 schools simultaneously with 10% of the job you want, and bam you now have a 50/50 shot. go to both cardozo and seton hall and throw on some st. john's and hofstra.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby timbs4339 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:02 pm

uvabro wrote:If OP goes to all 3, and aggregates the odds - he'd have almost a 50% chance of big law. just enroll in 5 schools simultaneously with 10% of the job you want, and bam you now have a 50/50 shot. go to both cardozo and seton hall and throw on some st. john's and hofstra.


lol

Probably won't be long until this is on some TTT admin's blog as srs advice.

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Re: Cardozo $$ v Seton Hall$$$

Postby Rahviveh » Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:03 pm

uvabro wrote:If OP goes to all 3, and aggregates the odds - he'd have almost a 50% chance of big law. just enroll in 5 schools simultaneously with 10% of the job you want, and bam you now have a 50/50 shot. go to both cardozo and seton hall and throw on some st. john's and hofstra.


Your on-topic troll posts are slowly getting funnier




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