plenipotentiary wrote: AssumptionRequired wrote:
UVAIce wrote:I go to UVA and love it. I have a job with a NLJ250 firm for the summer; I am a 1L. Everyone that I know who is a 2L has a job for the summer - yes this is extremely anecdotal. I do know a few 3Ls that don't have anything super lined up.
I would not attend UVA at sticker. Trust me when I say that you just don't always know where you're going to end up in the class rank wise. I have a friend who was admitted to HYS and came to UVA for the money and is sitting a hair below median. However, UVA is really an awesome place. Where are you from and where do you want to work. If your only goal is NYC or DC then I would hesitate to come to UVA at sticker. But if you're from the South, especially Texas, then sticker would not be as much of a risk.
Another 1L here with multiple 1L SA's this summer. I had 5 offers for biglaw, market paying, firm work for this summer. I also have 4-5 1L friends who will also be at firms this summer. Every 2L I know (again, anecdotal) has something lined up with market pay unless they are going the gov/PI route.
I had a similar decision and havent regretted my decision for even 1 minute. Honestly, and this could just be the people I know, people are killing it at UVA these days.
I would undoubtedly take UVA at sticker in OP's position. But I think you're painting an unduly rosy picture. I'm a 2L at UVA and I know plenty of people who are unemployed. I know the employment status of pretty much every person from my 1L section and I would estimate that a 1/3 of them don't have market-paying gigs. I know several people who are going the PI route because they struck out at OGI.
Also, I love my law school, but if you honestly haven't spent even one minute doubting your decision (even during journal tryouts?), I think you must be having the best 1L experience in the history of the world. So, congrats.
I have not doubted my decision since classes have started. UVA is an awesome place. Admittedly there are a number of reasons that UVA has worked out well for me compared to other folks. First, I'm targeting a secondary market that essentially grades the T14 as HYS and "national schools." I would not have gotten a huge boost in my home market by attending CLS, Penn, etc., as they would hire from any of those schools at median. I will say this, I was in the top 10% of the class after the 1st semester and was still ranked second behind a SLS 1L in terms of hiring preference - the firm where I will be working this summer chose to hire two 1Ls this summer. That all being said, my home market is NOT in the South (Minnesota) and literally every 1L I know from the South who is above median has a firm job in or near their home market. I also know some people who are medianish (some slightly below and some slightly above), are not URMs, don't have extreme work experience, and have 1L firm gigs this summer.
I also have the feeling more and more that personality, job search skills, prior work experience (not being a kid), target markets, and self-selection have a lot more to do with job outcomes than TLS really likes to admit. From what I have seen so far, people with substantive work experience are CLEANING up. If you are STEM and have prior work experience in a STEM field you will not be unemployed, unless you have all C's and suck at life. If you have real work experience, something beyond teaching English in a foreign country, you will do well. There are also lots of weird intangibles, such as the fact that OGI will be tough if you look like you were hit in the face with a sledge hammer. It will also be tough if you don't want to work anywhere but NYC or DC, went to a non-elite UG, have median grades, and generally suck at communicating. I am amazed how many law school students cannot hold a regular conversation. Watching 1Ls at a law firm event is like watching a bunch of 13 year old boys try to ask their crushes out; it's pathetic 90% of the time.
Sticker at UVA is not cheap. Admittedly, I am not paying full price at UVA and that is why I can "afford" to take a job in Minnesota after graduation and "only" make $110K a year. Having $250K in debt and not having a market paying job would not be fun financially, but you also wouldn't really be in that terrible of a spot. I also don't think you should be getting a JD to just make money. You should have some kind of real interest in what lawyers actually do if you are going to law school. I'm also happy to be going someplace where I can bill 1,900 hours and be a super star; there is no point to living if you can't fish on the weekend.