T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

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T14 you'd attend at sticker (can select more than 1)

HYS
226
32%
Columbia
129
18%
Chicago
98
14%
NYU
89
13%
Penn Berkeley UVA
68
10%
Michigan
19
3%
Duke
16
2%
Northwestern
24
3%
Georgetown
13
2%
Cornell
24
3%
 
Total votes: 706

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Flips88 » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:06 am

Any of them but probably GULC (class size is too big) and maybe Cornell.

At NU at sticker so obviously that one for sure

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby beautyistruth » Fri Feb 15, 2013 1:10 am

And actually, I haven't actually done much research into how likely getting a 40- 60 k job is if you miss the BigLaw train. Somebody who's looked into it should comment on this.
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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby HBBJohnStamos » Fri Feb 15, 2013 2:21 am

Renne Walker wrote:Scholly $ aside, you need to factor income of $30K/$60K (depending if you secured a 1L SA). Plus, 3L SA income. The COL should not be 100% attributed to LS (you have to eat and live somewhere). I will admit that a higher portion of COL should be factored in if you have to reside in NYC.


You've been missed. :wink: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby beautyistruth » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:28 pm

Also, given that pretty much every thread on TLS that discusses Columbia vs. NYU tend to conclude that there's no real advantage picking one over the other, Columbia's beating NYU quite solidly here. For the people who said they'd pay sticker for Columbia and not NYU, why? Just curious to know your thoughts.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby suralin » Sun Feb 17, 2013 2:57 am

beautyistruth wrote:Also, given that pretty much every thread on TLS that discusses Columbia vs. NYU tend to conclude that there's no real advantage picking one over the other, Columbia's beating NYU quite solidly here. For the people who said they'd pay sticker for Columbia and not NYU, why? Just curious to know your thoughts.


Curious to hear this too. As of late, there does seem to be a not insignificant trend here on TLS toward favoring CLS over NYU--interesting because this didn't seem to be the consensus just several months ago, e.g., just search for CLS vs NYU threads.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Crowing » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:39 am

NYU might be a peer to CC in reputation but it has lagged significantly in the past few years for favorable outcomes. And I don't wanna hear the "NYU students self-select into PI" crap because the extra 5-10% NYU puts into PI compared to CC doesn't close the gap even if we assume all of those PI positions to be desirable ones.

Now I'm sure everybody is gonna come at me for saying that :wink:

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby banjo » Sun Feb 17, 2013 9:38 am

I'm pretty interested to see how people are differentiating between C and C. Is this a quality of life thing? Are you guys just voting based on the c/o 2011 employment data?

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Crowing » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:00 pm

banjo wrote:I'm pretty interested to see how people are differentiating between C and C. Is this a quality of life thing? Are you guys just voting based on the c/o 2011 employment data?


I'm guessing it's the bad reputation ChiTTTcago has as the land of the aspies/gunners where fun goes to die. Aggregating the past few years has CC nearly identical as far as employment (though we don't have very detailed employment info going very far back which is apparently why LST only displays a single year).

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby skers » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:04 pm

banjo wrote:I'm pretty interested to see how people are differentiating between C and C. Is this a quality of life thing? Are you guys just voting based on the c/o 2011 employment data?


My guess is the combination of Chicago v. New York, Hyde Park, and TaipeiMort.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Crowing » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:07 pm

TemporarySaint wrote:
banjo wrote:I'm pretty interested to see how people are differentiating between C and C. Is this a quality of life thing? Are you guys just voting based on the c/o 2011 employment data?


My guess is the combination of Chicago v. New York, Hyde Park, and TaipeiMort.


CLS has its own version of TaipeiMort now in the form of a 0L.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:33 pm

YS.

Maybe HCCP.

That's assuming that I would pay that much, which I wouldn't. Also, grouping Penn with those other schools is like grouping Columbia with Stanford.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Justin Genious » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:42 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:YS.

Maybe HCCP.

That's assuming that I would pay that much, which I wouldn't. Also, grouping Penn with those other schools is like grouping Columbia with Stanford.

Nah, I would not say Penn is significantly better than berk/uva.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby EvilClinton » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:43 pm

Having more than 200k of debt is always a bad idea.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Mal Reynolds » Sun Feb 17, 2013 3:44 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:YS.

Maybe HCCP.

That's assuming that I would pay that much, which I wouldn't. Also, grouping Penn with those other schools is like grouping Columbia with Stanford.


Please explain why you would pay sticker at YS and not H.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Aberzombie1892 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:33 pm

Justin Genious wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:YS.

Maybe HCCP.

That's assuming that I would pay that much, which I wouldn't. Also, grouping Penn with those other schools is like grouping Columbia with Stanford.

Nah, I would not say Penn is significantly better than berk/uva.


The data consistently says otherwise, but we can agree to disagree on that. Penn is generally 10-20% (of the total class) better at placing students than any school outside of CC.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Sheffield » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:41 pm

HYSCCN and P. I figure P has a 50:50 shot of securing a T6 tie.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Crowing » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:44 pm

Sheffield wrote:HYSCCN and P. I figure P has a 50:50 shot of securing a T6 tie.


Not that it matters but if you mean in USNWR there is no chance of that happening anytime soon. The gap in raw score between N and P last year was greater than the gap in raw score between S and N.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby UnamSanctam » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:47 pm

Sheffield wrote:HYSCCN and P. I figure P has a 50:50 shot of securing a T6 tie.


Wat.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby SemperLegal » Sun Feb 17, 2013 4:52 pm

None of the above. 200k is a lot of money. I wouldn't take that bet if the actual odds were 2:3 and the payoff was 1:1000, Since fo LS the odds of success are worse, and the possible winnings are less, I'd just redo UG with a STEM degree.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby moonman157 » Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:46 pm

beautyistruth wrote:Also, given that pretty much every thread on TLS that discusses Columbia vs. NYU tend to conclude that there's no real advantage picking one over the other, Columbia's beating NYU quite solidly here. For the people who said they'd pay sticker for Columbia and not NYU, why? Just curious to know your thoughts.


As someone who will be deciding between the two, I've been thinking about this a lot and going through threads to get a better idea of just how "peer" they are. While I certainly buy the argument that NYU's PI bias affects its overall biglaw numbers, when it comes to spending $250K, I want a little bit more reassurance than anecdotes from anonymous posters online. And when you look at the numbers, for both NLJ250 and undesirable outcomes, CLS > NYU (admittedly, that data is not perfect). Also, it seems that the general consensus is that the distance between CLS and NYU increases once you're outside of NYC.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby Justin Genious » Sun Feb 17, 2013 6:34 pm

Aberzombie1892 wrote:
Justin Genious wrote:
Aberzombie1892 wrote:YS.

Maybe HCCP.

That's assuming that I would pay that much, which I wouldn't. Also, grouping Penn with those other schools is like grouping Columbia with Stanford.

Nah, I would not say Penn is significantly better than berk/uva.


The data consistently says otherwise, but we can agree to disagree on that. Penn is generally 10-20% (of the total class) better at placing students than any school outside of CC.

If I were a person that wants biglaw, which I am, than I would choose UPenn over BV; however, if a person wants PI or to work in a different region (CA, DC) I'd roll with UVA/Berk. It's all just preferences.

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Re: T14 you'd attend with >$200 k expected debt?

Postby banjo » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:09 pm

beautyistruth wrote:Also, given that pretty much every thread on TLS that discusses Columbia vs. NYU tend to conclude that there's no real advantage picking one over the other, Columbia's beating NYU quite solidly here. For the people who said they'd pay sticker for Columbia and not NYU, why? Just curious to know your thoughts.


I gave this some thought. I had originally only picked CC, but I added N just now with the qualification that you should look for a 2-3br share in Brooklyn or Queens or NJ and eat groceries and cheap street food. If you're going at sticker, you should not be living on any of the housing options on the web site, which are honestly unconscionable on a student budget.




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