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DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students- Cites Cooley

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:08 pm

http://www.law.du.edu/index.php/admissi ... s-v.-facts


Lots of golden nuggets. Personal fav, DU Dean completely forgets to account for COL whilst at DU, and then immediately states that the average salary from DU is 70k. Full of win.
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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby nickb285 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:22 pm

I liked the part where he bolded that there was " more than one lawyer job for every law graduate in Colorado" before non-boldly admitting that about 1,000 people passed the Colorado bar. This of course means that 55% of all people licensed to practice law in Colorado will be able to do so, and those from DU will be competing with CU-Boulder grads, T14 grads, and a handful of other out-of-state grads, but that's okay, because they have a "strategic plan designed to produce practice-ready lawyers" and also "The world is becoming ever more complex," so don't even worry about it man.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:24 pm

nickb285 wrote:I liked the part where he bolded that there was " more than one lawyer job for every law graduate in Colorado" before non-boldly admitting that about 1,000 people passed the Colorado bar. This of course means that 55% of all people licensed to practice law in Colorado will be able to do so, and those from DU will be competing with CU-Boulder grads, T14 grads, and a handful of other out-of-state grads, but that's okay, because they have a "strategic plan designed to produce practice-ready lawyers" and also "The world is becoming ever more complex," so don't even worry about it man.


100% agree. The theme of the "scholarship" was -- so, like, don't even worry about it, man.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby prezidentv8 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:26 pm

I personally enjoyed this:

While some critics scoff at jobs that do not require bar passage, many law school graduates seek and enjoy such jobs. Even during the boom years, when law graduates had fewer constraints, roughly 16% selected jobs for which bar passage was not required.


Emphasis mine.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby Rahviveh » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:32 pm

And 2011 Denver Law grads had an average salary of $70,922. Using a similar adjustment to the one used by NALP to account for reporting bias at the high end of the salary scale, 2011 Denver Law grads had an average adjusted salary of $66,713.[26] All of these figures are substantially higher than the $56,887 salary required to justify an investment in law school.


Only 37% of grads reported a salary at Denver law

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=denver

Very dishonest to talk about average salaries even if you use the NALP adjustment.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby timbs4339 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:40 pm

Wow. Just fucking wow.

So they know about the more reliable statistics that directly contradict these arguments, and are just willfully choosing not to include them in these little pitches, right?

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby BarcaCrossesTheAlps » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:42 pm

Thanks for the link, OP.

These deans are basically charlatans... how they look at themselves in the mirror is beyond me...

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby rad lulz » Wed Feb 06, 2013 2:56 pm

This guy is a shyster. What a shitbag.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:05 pm

Hahaha. HE CITES COOLEY! LOOK AT CITE #3!

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby prezidentv8 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:06 pm

Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:Hahaha. HE CITES COOLEY! LOOK AT CITE #3!


:shock: :arrow: :lol:

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby North » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:09 pm

Guess all the data we've seen is just part of some elaborate myth. Thanks Dean Katz!

What awful, awful people.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby Cicero76 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:11 pm

In before Paul Campos tears this DUI Dean's "message" about myths a brand new orifice. Don't let me down, ITLSS.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby prezidentv8 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:14 pm

Cicero76 wrote:In before Paul Campos tears this DUI Dean's "message" about myths a brand new orifice. Don't let me down, ITLSS.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby Crowing » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:14 pm

At some point the doubling down on stupid has to stop, voluntarily or not.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby prezidentv8 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:18 pm

Crowing wrote:At some point the doubling down on stupid has to stop, voluntarily or not.


Not sure this is true.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby Cicero76 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:10 pm

prezidentv8 wrote:
Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:Hahaha. HE CITES COOLEY! LOOK AT CITE #3!


:shock: :arrow: :lol:


This is so horrifically funny that I don't even know how to react. And frustratingly, I can't explain how lulzy it is to my non-TLS friends.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Wed Feb 06, 2013 4:22 pm

Cicero76 wrote:
prezidentv8 wrote:
Lord Randolph McDuff wrote:Hahaha. HE CITES COOLEY! LOOK AT CITE #3!


:shock: :arrow: :lol:


This is so horrifically funny that I don't even know how to react. And frustratingly, I can't explain how lulzy it is to my non-TLS friends.


Its like, maybe he is a manchurian candidate, taking down DU from the inside. Why else would he do that? The information was so bad that only Cooley said it?

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students- Cites Cooley

Postby cooldude87 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:02 pm

we should flood this guys inbox

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students

Postby stillwater » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:06 pm

rad lulz wrote:This guy is a shyster. What a shitbag.


wheres he rank in the hierarchy of sleazy deans with respect to the Valvoline Dean?

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students- Cites Cooley

Postby timbs4339 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 7:52 pm

Elie Mystal has a nice takedown here

http://abovethelaw.com/2013/02/really-w ... l-edition/

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students- Cites Cooley

Postby JCougar » Wed Feb 06, 2013 11:41 pm

I really wish they would change the rule that you can't post these articles in the "_____ School of Law Class of 2016" threads. I can understand banning pointless trolling, but we should be allowed to link to specific articles of each school's deans when they are busted lying, etc.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students- Cites Cooley

Postby hephaestus » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:57 am

The unfortunate thing is that someone on the fence about going to law school will read this and convince themselves that going to DU at sticker is a great idea.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students- Cites Cooley

Postby cahwc12 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:43 am

Pretty disgusted by this article cited for #4:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/shawnoconno ... e-money/2/

"Law School costs $150k + $135k in lost wages." This assumes:

1) no interest on the debt
2) having a job or being able to get a job that makes that much and maintain it over three years.

"But a lawyer makes $4 million over his career, trumping the cost of an education." This assumes:

1) Going to law school nets you a job as a lawyer.
2) I guess we can agree to disagree, but I don't see how 10% of your lifetime career earnings is a small number. And with the average age of law school students being about 26, that means these lawyers will work until 70? Who plans to work until 70?

I'm tempted to write a letter to this guy or forbes magazine, but I doubt anything would come of it. Who reads angry letters to the editor?

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students- Cites Cooley

Postby North » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:47 am

cahwc12 wrote:Pretty disgusted by this article cited for #4:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/shawnoconno ... e-money/2/

"Law School costs $150k + $135k in lost wages." This assumes:

1) no interest on the debt
2) having a job or being able to get a job that makes that much and maintain it over three years.

"But a lawyer makes $4 million over his career, trumping the cost of an education." This assumes:

1) Going to law school nets you a job as a lawyer.
2) I guess we can agree to disagree, but I don't see how 10% of your lifetime career earnings is a small number. And with the average age of law school students being about 26, that means these lawyers will work until 70? Who plans to work until 70?

I'm tempted to write a letter to this guy or forbes magazine, but I doubt anything would come of it. Who reads angry letters to the editor?

Do it anyway, then post it here for co-signers.

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Re: DU Dean Pleads With Prospective Students- Cites Cooley

Postby fatduck » Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:49 am

cahwc12 wrote:2) I guess we can agree to disagree, but I don't see how 10% of your lifetime career earnings is a small number. And with the average age of law school students being about 26, that means these lawyers will work until 70? Who plans to work until 70?

lol we're all gonna be working until 80+ bro




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