Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

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Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Poll ended at Wed Apr 03, 2013 5:56 pm

Cardozo 25k per year
2
25%
St. John's (full ride)
6
75%
Hofstra (full ride)
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Total votes: 8

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Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby pwnyc127 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:29 pm

So I looked through the forums and couldn't find anyone else with a comparable situation. Just got a call today from Cardozo offering me 25k per year, full ride to St. Johns, and full ride to Hofstra. I want to work in corporate/ business law. Opinions?
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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby nealric » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:42 pm

As a lawyer at a large NYC firm, I can confidently say that your chances of getting a job of the type you describe are vanishingly small from any of those schools. If you must, go to St Johns for free and drop out if you don't hit the scholarship stipulation (those scholarships are designed to boot a large number).

Otherwise, retake the LSAT after studying at least 500 hours. Get into the 170s and go to a school that has better career prospects. May seem crazy, but much less so than settling for an option that is unlikely to get you where you want to go.
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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby timbs4339 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:44 pm

Corporate/business law? Retake.

What is the absolute least appealing type of legal job you would take out of those schools? Because corporate/business law = biglaw, and that ain't happening.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby pwnyc127 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:49 pm

I realize that only the top 5% of the class coming out of St. Johns actually gets biglaw jobs. So you guys believe that the higher ranking of Cardozo is not worth the money?
Also waitlisted at Fordham, just sent in LOCI. Backup option is criminal.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby izy223 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:24 pm

pwnyc127 wrote:I realize that only the top 5% of the class coming out of St. Johns actually gets biglaw jobs. So you guys believe that the higher ranking of Cardozo is not worth the money?
Also waitlisted at Fordham, just sent in LOCI. Backup option is criminal.


only top 10 gets out of dozo, is 25k worth 5%, your choice

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby dirtrida2 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:28 pm

Can you post your numbers?

Or PM me them, thanks.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby JCougar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:56 pm

pwnyc127 wrote:I realize that only the top 5% of the class coming out of St. Johns actually gets biglaw jobs. So you guys believe that the higher ranking of Cardozo is not worth the money?
Also waitlisted at Fordham, just sent in LOCI. Backup option is criminal.


None of those schools are worth going to if you want to do corporate law. Even the bottom end of the T14 makes it unlikely you will do corporate law these days.

Unless you retake the LSAT and score in the 170s, I suggest you change your career outlook.

With that said, it's still a good opportunity to go to law school if it's free. There's really no difference between St. John's, Hofstra, and Cardozo. They are all TTT schools. So I would take the cheaper one. Just don't think you can get a corporate law job.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby timbs4339 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:04 pm

If criminal law is your option, a free ride to St. Johns or Hofstra is probably just as good as Dozo at half. Try to get the stips removed. If you don't meet the stips drop out.

For salaries (of you get a job, always a big IF), you'll be looking at local DA/PD or small private firms probably making around 40-50K to start. Realize that corporate law and criminal law are extremely different beasts in terms of money at the beginning stage of your career, the day-to-day work you do, the clients you represent, the type of lawyers you deal with, etc. etc.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby bluegreen » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:11 pm

JCougar wrote:
pwnyc127 wrote:I realize that only the top 5% of the class coming out of St. Johns actually gets biglaw jobs. So you guys believe that the higher ranking of Cardozo is not worth the money?
Also waitlisted at Fordham, just sent in LOCI. Backup option is criminal.


None of those schools are worth going to if you want to do corporate law. Even the bottom end of the T14 makes it unlikely you will do corporate law these days.

Unless you retake the LSAT and score in the 170s, I suggest you change your career outlook.

With that said, it's still a good opportunity to go to law school if it's free. There's really no difference between St. John's, Hofstra, and Cardozo. They are all TTT schools. So I would take the cheaper one. Just don't think you can get a corporate law job.


Hold on - Cardozo is ranked much better I thought? 56?

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby 20130312 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:16 pm

Rank doesn't matter. Dozo is for bozos. Look at lawschooltransparency.com. Fucking abysmal.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby dingbat » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:19 pm

bluegreen wrote:Hold on - Cardozo is ranked much better I thought? 56?

don't focus on rankings, focus on employment.
Cardozo is considered better than Hofstra and st johns, but whether it's worth $25k more per year is a different matter.
None of the schools are worth sticker, and Hofstra/St Johns probably aren't worth paying for at all, though that diesnt apply to you.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby ajax » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:02 pm

pwnyc127 wrote:So I looked through the forums and couldn't find anyone else with a comparable situation. Just got a call today from Cardozo offering me 25k per year, full ride to St. Johns, and full ride to Hofstra. I want to work in corporate/ business law. Opinions?


All of these I'm sure have stipulations, otherwise how would schools make money? Let's hear them.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby BmoreOrLess » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:12 pm

ajax wrote:All of these I'm sure have stipulations, otherwise how would schools make money? Let's hear them.


Looks like there has been a lot of full rides to Hofstra/St. Johns. I wonder if they are gambling big and throwing them at everyone with a pulse and hoping that they retain enough of the students that lose the scholly.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby pwnyc127 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:13 pm

ajax wrote:
pwnyc127 wrote:So I looked through the forums and couldn't find anyone else with a comparable situation. Just got a call today from Cardozo offering me 25k per year, full ride to St. Johns, and full ride to Hofstra. I want to work in corporate/ business law. Opinions?


All of these I'm sure have stipulations, otherwise how would schools make money? Let's hear them.


Stips are similar for St. John's and Hofstra. St. John's: top 40% of class retain 100% of scholarship, top 55% retain 75% ect...
Hofstra: top 40% of class retain 100% of scholarship, top 51% retain 50% ect...

I'm going to negotiate with the admissions offices and ask to have the stips removed. Something along the lines of "I would truly like to attend your school, however my financial situation would not allow me to continue if my scholarship is reduced." Then go on to mention that I received money from a number of other schools (including others that I didn't mention here). Anybody have any suggestions for the best way to negotiate with the admissions office to have the stips removed?

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby dingbat » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:29 pm

pwnyc127 wrote:
ajax wrote:
pwnyc127 wrote:So I looked through the forums and couldn't find anyone else with a comparable situation. Just got a call today from Cardozo offering me 25k per year, full ride to St. Johns, and full ride to Hofstra. I want to work in corporate/ business law. Opinions?


All of these I'm sure have stipulations, otherwise how would schools make money? Let's hear them.


Stips are similar for St. John's and Hofstra. St. John's: top 40% of class retain 100% of scholarship, top 55% retain 75% ect...
Hofstra: top 40% of class retain 100% of scholarship, top 51% retain 50% ect...

I'm going to negotiate with the admissions offices and ask to have the stips removed. Something along the lines of "I would truly like to attend your school, however my financial situation would not allow me to continue if my scholarship is reduced." Then go on to mention that I received money from a number of other schools (including others that I didn't mention here). Anybody have any suggestions for the best way to negotiate with the admissions office to have the stips removed?

whatever you do, don't use definite language, use words like "may", "probably", "likely". That way you keep your options open

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby dirtrida2 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:42 pm

pwnyc127 wrote:
ajax wrote:
pwnyc127 wrote:So I looked through the forums and couldn't find anyone else with a comparable situation. Just got a call today from Cardozo offering me 25k per year, full ride to St. Johns, and full ride to Hofstra. I want to work in corporate/ business law. Opinions?


All of these I'm sure have stipulations, otherwise how would schools make money? Let's hear them.


Stips are similar for St. John's and Hofstra. St. John's: top 40% of class retain 100% of scholarship, top 55% retain 75% ect...
Hofstra: top 40% of class retain 100% of scholarship, top 51% retain 50% ect...

I'm going to negotiate with the admissions offices and ask to have the stips removed. Something along the lines of "I would truly like to attend your school, however my financial situation would not allow me to continue if my scholarship is reduced." Then go on to mention that I received money from a number of other schools (including others that I didn't mention here). Anybody have any suggestions for the best way to negotiate with the admissions office to have the stips removed?


Let me know how your negotiating works.

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Re: Cardozo 25k per year v. St. Johns (full) v. Hofstra (full)

Postby romothesavior » Fri Feb 01, 2013 6:11 pm

If those are your goals then retake is your only option. Abort mission, wait a year, retake, increase your score. If you can't, I'd say go for free somewhere and be cool with a life of mid-5 figures doing insurance defense, or better yet, don't go.




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