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Overrated Schools

Postby Aroldis105 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:14 pm

I understand this topic has the potential to turn into a complete shitstorm, but that is not my desire. Are there any tier1/tier2 schools that are ranked too high despite poor employment numbers?

1) I understand that employment numbers are poor for most schools. The question is more an outing of schools that are ranked higher than schools with better employment numbers or an opportunity for schools with good numbers to be highlighted despite lower rankings.
2) I am unconcerned with anyone's ranking of a school based on:
-Student to teacher ratio
-Teaching methods
-Sports teams/Mascots

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby UAX09 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:17 pm

Aren't there several threads about this topic already? I doubt much has changed since those threads were posted.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby bbsg » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:34 pm

If you haven't seen it already, you may enjoy this site: http://www.lstscorereports.com/?r=schools

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Dmini7 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:35 pm

TLS has a huge hatred towards ASU, I am not entirely sure why, but I believe I read somewhere its because how they gamed the employment data and have a 99% employment rate. I really only posted this to get a clarification on the hatred towards asu, as I am very curious

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby stillwater » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:37 pm

Dmini7 wrote:TLS has a huge hatred towards ASU, I am not entirely sure why, but I believe I read somewhere its because how they gamed the employment data and have a 99% employment rate. I really only posted this to get a clarification on the hatred towards asu, as I am very curious


People are just jealous because since they climbed in the USNWR rankings employers have gone there in DROVES.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Crowing » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:40 pm

American is prob the most overrated school based on disconnect between ranking/employment

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Dmini7 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 7:47 pm

stillwater wrote:
Dmini7 wrote:TLS has a huge hatred towards ASU, I am not entirely sure why, but I believe I read somewhere its because how they gamed the employment data and have a 99% employment rate. I really only posted this to get a clarification on the hatred towards asu, as I am very curious


People are just jealous because since they climbed in the USNWR rankings employers have gone there in DROVES.


Funny enough, I just read the threads where you guys were talking a out employers going there in "DROVES" last night, so that made me chuckle. Thank you.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby jenesaislaw » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:02 pm

The Value of the U.S. News Rankings (comparing ranking to employment outcomes)

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby you'rethemannowdawg » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:41 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:The Value of the U.S. News Rankings (comparing ranking to employment outcomes)


Anyone know what that 170th ranked school with a 78.3% employment score is? I thought USNWR didn't rank that low.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Dmini7 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:44 pm

you'rethemannowdawg wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:The Value of the U.S. News Rankings (comparing ranking to employment outcomes)


Anyone know what that 170th ranked school with a 78.3% employment score is? I thought USNWR didn't rank that low.


Cooley. The Dean decided to post the adjusted employment score according to their own scale. In all seriousness I am in the same boat as you, its weird seeing those TTTT with higher scores than T25s

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby 1984 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:47 pm

jenesaislaw wrote:The Value of the U.S. News Rankings (comparing ranking to employment outcomes)

Huh, I wonder which #89 has the decent underemployment score, Hofstra or DePaul?

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby DaRascal » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:56 pm

I love BC and I'm happy that I got accepted but from everything I've read on here in the past couple of years it just feels like a school that might be a lot of hype. :P

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby JCougar » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:04 pm

Mostly the schools that are adept at gaming the rankings, etc.

ASU is probably #1 because they are historically about a 50th-ranked school that shot up for no reason. Their placement makes them look like a 50th-ranked school, though.

Indiana-Bloomington is another good example. It's not a terrible school, but it still doesn't belong in the T30. It places more like a T2.

University of Washington is also obscenely high this year. I could see it being ranked around 30-35 or so, but nowhere near 20.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Crowing » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:06 pm

LSU thugging it up

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby John_rizzy_rawls » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:07 pm

In before anti-NYU, Chicago, and Virginia trolling.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Aroldis105 » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:28 pm

JCougar wrote:Mostly the schools that are adept at gaming the rankings, etc.

ASU is probably #1 because they are historically about a 50th-ranked school that shot up for no reason. Their placement makes them look like a 50th-ranked school, though.

Indiana-Bloomington is another good example. It's not a terrible school, but it still doesn't belong in the T30. It places more like a T2.

University of Washington is also obscenely high this year. I could see it being ranked around 30-35 or so, but nowhere near 20.


+4 for you Glen Coco, You go Glen Coco.

This is what I was hoping for out of the thread. The links are quite useful and appreciated, but sometimes it's nice for a little analysis along with the numbers.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Bronck » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:30 pm

Harvard. They have a really diluted faculty.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby jenesaislaw » Thu Jan 31, 2013 12:43 am

you'rethemannowdawg wrote:
jenesaislaw wrote:The Value of the U.S. News Rankings (comparing ranking to employment outcomes)


Anyone know what that 170th ranked school with a 78.3% employment score is? I thought USNWR didn't rank that low.


Umm...something is off. I'll get to the bottom of it, because no school has a 78.3% ES.

But to answer your question, 170 is the rank we assigned to all T4s to get them vertical with each other.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Yukos » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:03 am

Crowing wrote:LSU thugging it up


Yeah LSU surprised the hell out of me.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Mal Reynolds » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:18 am

It's always nice to see the new crop of TLSers learning that rankings don't matter and that debating tier/ranking placement is idiotic and completely pointless. Oh wait...

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby togepi » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:00 am

Yukos wrote:
Crowing wrote:LSU thugging it up


Yeah LSU surprised the hell out of me.


For their ranking, their stats are decent. They are one of the few schools in the T2 that show all their numbers in the NALP directory.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Crowing » Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:04 am

Yukos wrote:
Crowing wrote:LSU thugging it up


Yeah LSU surprised the hell out of me.


pretty much the definition of a good regional

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby 987654321 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:21 pm

Georgetown

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby Lord Randolph McDuff » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:05 pm

Schools between 20-50 if the rankings influence people to go there at sticker. The difference between UW or ASU (in the 20s) and UTK or OU (in the 70s) is negligible, and people are influenced to take the former at sticker because of USNWR. Most overrated schools IMO.

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Re: Overrated Schools

Postby grapefruits » Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:08 pm

Aroldis105 wrote:I understand this topic has the potential to turn into a complete shitstorm, but that is not my desire. Are there any tier1/tier2 schools that are ranked too high despite poor employment numbers?

1) I understand that employment numbers are poor for most schools. The question is more an outing of schools that are ranked higher than schools with better employment numbers or an opportunity for schools with good numbers to be highlighted despite lower rankings.
2) I am unconcerned with anyone's ranking of a school based on:
-Student to teacher ratio
-Teaching methods
-Sports teams/Mascots


Every school ranked in between UT and Harvard.




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