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TimeToChoose
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Best for the Midwest Market

Postby TimeToChoose » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:15 pm

Hey guys, I have a quick question, just looking for some opinions from fellow law applicants. I have been accepted to the following schools, with scholarships listed as a per year value:
Illinois (5k)
Ohio State (10k, 2.5 GPA Stip)
Chicago-Kent (25k)
Depaul (20k)
Michigan State (75% tuition, 3.0 GPA Stip)
Penn State (30k)
Loyola-Chicago (still awaiting scholarship info)
Marquette (still awaiting)

If I theoretically wanted to stay in the Midwest area (such as Chicago, Milwaukee, etc), which of these schools would you choose, taking into consideration the scholarships I have received and future job outlooks in the region? Thanks for all of your opinions!

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby moonman157 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:25 pm

ibtRetake

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby cinephile » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:31 pm

TimeToChoose wrote:Hey guys, I have a quick question, just looking for some opinions from fellow law applicants. I have been accepted to the following schools, with scholarships listed as a per year value:
Illinois (5k)
Ohio State (10k, 2.5 GPA Stip)
Chicago-Kent (25k)
Depaul (20k)
Michigan State (75% tuition, 3.0 GPA Stip)
Penn State (30k)
Loyola-Chicago (still awaiting scholarship info)
Marquette (still awaiting)

If I theoretically wanted to stay in the Midwest area (such as Chicago, Milwaukee, etc), which of these schools would you choose, taking into consideration the scholarships I have received and future job outlooks in the region? Thanks for all of your opinions!


Where are you from? Are you getting the in-state rate at any of the public schools?

Working in Chicago is probably out.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby rinkrat19 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:34 pm

Scholarship amounts are less useful than the total cost of attendance (minus the scholarship) for each school.

That said, there are UChi and NU students worrying about getting jobs in Chicago. It's a tough market to crack from all of those schools.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby TimeToChoose » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:37 pm

Sorry, I did not specify that I am from Wisconsin. I am still waiting to hear back from the University of Wisconsin-Madison, but I am sort of borderline with a 159 LSAT and a 3.67 GPA. In state there would be nice, but I was just looking for opinions on the schools that I have already been admitted to. Thanks again for your thoughts!

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby rad lulz » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:41 pm

For WI, none of those schools.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby dr123 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:45 pm

gotta retake that LSAT my man

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby nebula666 » Sun Jan 27, 2013 3:58 pm

If you want to work in WI, retake until you have enough money to make UW economically feasible or go to a T14.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby Paul Campos » Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:58 pm

You would be racking up north of $200K in debt for either Illinois or OSU, which would be very reckless. You would be incurring $180K in debt from DePaul and $155K from Chicago Kent, which would be insane.

These are horrible choices at these prices, period.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby OutCold » Sun Jan 27, 2013 6:36 pm

dr123 wrote:gotta retake that LSAT my man

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby mattviphky » Wed Jan 30, 2013 10:05 pm

retake. 164 and you'll have a half-ride to UIUC, based on last years scholarships

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby romothesavior » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:01 pm

Paul Campos wrote:You would be racking up north of $200K in debt for either Illinois or OSU, which would be very reckless. You would be incurring $180K in debt from DePaul and $155K from Chicago Kent, which would be insane.

These are horrible choices at these prices, period.

+1, these are all terrible options.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby ndirish2010 » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:33 pm

To make ND/UIUC/WUSTL legitimate options, they should be at least at half cost. Preferably 1/4 cost or free.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby JollyGreenGiant » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:24 pm

It has been said, but it's completely true... retake. The very worst school you should be going to is UW-Madison. Anything lower is not a smart investment. Madison is only feasible because of the in-state tuition.

Chicago and Milwaukee are going to be pretty tough to break into for biglaw without either being top of your class or going to a T14 (and depending on the firm, both might be required).

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby BuckinghamB » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:59 pm

OP, PM me.
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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby nba101790 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:30 pm

OP never said he wanted to work in big law, just in Chicago. I'm not sure why Kent at 60% off is a terrible idea. Chicago's legal market is also very, very tight and inbred; Kent has some unique local connections even T14 can't offer.

While "retake" seems to be the default response to nearly everything on this board, I'm not sure if that's the best advice given the original question being posed.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby iMisto » Sun Feb 03, 2013 5:52 pm

Retaking has the potential of getting OP a full ride at one of these schools, so it is still the best advice.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby somewhatwayward » Sun Feb 03, 2013 6:03 pm

nba101790 wrote:OP never said he wanted to work in big law, just in Chicago. I'm not sure why Kent at 60% off is a terrible idea. Chicago's legal market is also very, very tight and inbred; Kent has some unique local connections even T14 can't offer.

While "retake" seems to be the default response to nearly everything on this board, I'm not sure if that's the best advice given the original question being posed.


Retaking does not preclude going to Kent - it just (hopefully) means a much bigger scholarship to Kent. 60% off is not a good deal at Kent, which gives you a 48% chance of getting a job. Tuition is 42K/year (will probably be close to 50K/year by the time OP would graduate, but putting that aside) so 60% off would be about 17K/year. Then you add 20K/year in living expenses since he has to eat. That gets you to about 110K before interest and it assumes he doesn't lose the scholarship. Would you pay over 100K for less than a coin's flip chance of a job?

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby romothesavior » Sun Feb 03, 2013 8:32 pm

nba101790 wrote:OP never said he wanted to work in big law, just in Chicago. I'm not sure why Kent at 60% off is a terrible idea. Chicago's legal market is also very, very tight and inbred; Kent has some unique local connections even T14 can't offer.

While "retake" seems to be the default response to nearly everything on this board, I'm not sure if that's the best advice given the original question being posed.

Lolno. Just stop.

http://www.lstscorereports.com/?school=chicago-kent

Let's talk data and facts instead of BS platitudes. Chicago is brutal, big law or not, and Kent is a toilet on the Chicago totem pole.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby ndirish2010 » Sun Feb 03, 2013 9:02 pm

I wouldn't go to Kent, DePaul, or Loyola unless they were paying me 40K a year.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby TimeToChoose » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:11 am

How about in-state at UW Madison? I was recently accepted

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby rad lulz » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:30 am

TimeToChoose wrote:How about in-state at UW Madison? I was recently accepted

You debt-financing the whole thing? Total cost of attendance?

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby romothesavior » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:49 pm

TimeToChoose wrote:How about in-state at UW Madison? I was recently accepted

Unless it is very cheap, I wouldn't go. You have a couple of decent options on the table, but the problem is that they're pretty expensive and not at all worth the debt. You need to retake. The Lsat is the most important exam you'll ever take because it determines your school and cost, and to a large extent your job prospects. You have more control over it than law school rank. You should do everything you can now to put yourself in a position to succeed.

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Re: Best for the Midwest Market

Postby JollyGreenGiant » Tue Feb 05, 2013 2:44 am

Tuition is essentially half price for in-state, but you're still looking at ~$100k total... and 3 years of your life.

I mean, if you really "love the law," I would consider going. But you should know that your career prospects will be boosted significantly if you retake the LSAT and do well. FWIW, I have heard of a healthy portion of unemployed students from UW-Madison.




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