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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby sinfiery » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:57 pm

5ky wrote:
UVA doesn't have to have any particular percentage of instate students -- if it were really hurting them, I suspect they'd just reduce the percentage of instate students they wanted to have. As somebody else pointed out, with Northern Virginia there's this really dense area of wealthy parents and high-achieving students. Also, you'll get a lot of people that have worked post-UG in the DC area but live in Nova, so establish residency prior to applying to law school.


I thought it was state-issued or something. Nevermind then.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby Br3v » Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:58 pm

Why does DF hate UVA?

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby BSC » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:43 pm

I appreciate all the input, especially about the grading system thing. It's gonna be a tough decision for me if I get a similar scholarship at Penn or in at CCN, cuz part of me wants to live in a big city for a while. But that's still an if.

I'll definitely create a poll when the other, hopefully positive, results roll around. And I'll be sure to avoid any controversial terminology :roll:

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby BruceWayne » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:51 pm

5ky wrote:To be honest, I think pushing a handful of the worst exams from B- to C+ and correspondingly giving a couple more A-s instead of B+s is a net benefit in terms of students getting biglaw from UVA. A student in that mushy slightly above median area will be helped quite a bit more than the bottom 10% student.


Lol you're definitely a UVA law student. NO one NEEDS an A+ and B-s and below can make a person unemployable. There's a reason why Boalt,NYU, Penn etc. have the system they do. Yes less people end up in a position to get appellate clerkships etc. but less people end up completely unemployed as well. To be quite honest, I think that it partially explains why we are slightly behind those schools in the nlj with a higher amount of people in the "other" section on the nlj chart.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby 5ky » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:00 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
5ky wrote:To be honest, I think pushing a handful of the worst exams from B- to C+ and correspondingly giving a couple more A-s instead of B+s is a net benefit in terms of students getting biglaw from UVA. A student in that mushy slightly above median area will be helped quite a bit more than the bottom 10% student.


Lol you're definitely a UVA law student. NO one NEEDS an A+ and B-s and below can make a person unemployable. There's a reason why Boalt,NYU, Penn etc. have the system they do. Yes less people end up in a position to get appellate clerkships etc. but less people end up completely unemployed as well. To be quite honest, I think that it partially explains why we are slightly behind those schools in the nlj with a higher amount of people in the "other" section on the nlj chart.


I don't know what the grading procedures are like at Boalt, NYU and Penn are, for obvious reasons. What are they?

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby somewhatwayward » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:50 am

BruceWayne wrote:
5ky wrote:To be honest, I think pushing a handful of the worst exams from B- to C+ and correspondingly giving a couple more A-s instead of B+s is a net benefit in terms of students getting biglaw from UVA. A student in that mushy slightly above median area will be helped quite a bit more than the bottom 10% student.


Lol you're definitely a UVA law student. NO one NEEDS an A+ and B-s and below can make a person unemployable. There's a reason why Boalt,NYU, Penn etc. have the system they do. Yes less people end up in a position to get appellate clerkships etc. but less people end up completely unemployed as well. To be quite honest, I think that it partially explains why we are slightly behind those schools in the nlj with a higher amount of people in the "other" section on the nlj chart.


Yeah not prescribing the proportion of each grade (5% As, 20% A-s, 30% B+s, etc) sucks for everyone besides the top students who don't need the help anyway. In almost all the 1L classes I was in, the professors told me they would've awarded more As if they could have. You know at UVA a significant proportion of the class is going to write kick-ass exams and the professors will be tempted to give them all As, balancing that out with a healthy # of B-s even if the people in the B- range did a good job.

Some firms have rules like no B-s, which isn't a big problem for most schools where 4-6% of each class gets a B- and maybe 10% of the class has at least one on their transcripts. At UVA, that proportion could be much higher. Plus the distribution of A/A-/B+/B/B- is not standard across sections, so it is kind of unfair to compare GPAs across sections.

UVA is high-risk, high-reward, especially when you remember they are also the only T14 with partial preselect for OCI.

OP, you already know this, but you should definitely wait until all your offers are in before you make any decisions. At the very least, if you are expecting acceptances to CCN and $$ from P, you can play that off UVA's offer to get more $$$ from UVA. Even though UVA is risky, you would be insulated bc you have ties to the South, so you aren't stuck trying your luck in NYC if you end up below median (in contrast, below median at P has a good shot at NYC big law). In choosing between CCN and UVA with $$$, I think the question would be whether you prefer a much increased chance at a high-paying job with big debt or whether you prefer a lower chance at the high-paying job but much lower debt. Personally I would probably take Penn with $$$ but I am not sure about getting back to the South with Penn. Is HYS a possibility?

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby BSC » Wed Jan 09, 2013 4:20 pm

somewhatwayward wrote:... if you are expecting acceptances to CCN and $$ from P... Is HYS a possibility?


I appreciate the input. Idk about expecting those things, but most certainly hoping. And probably not... don't even know if I'm gonna finish my Yale 250.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby gaucholaw » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:36 pm

Can someone please explain what partial pre-select for OCI is? Thanks!

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby beachbum » Wed Jan 09, 2013 10:58 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Wahoos wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:T7 lol what a retard.


People like you are why most law students hate Top Law Schools. OP wasn't trying to make an elitist statement or anything- it was clear what the point of the original message was. This isn't supposed to be a thread about what schools should be defined in what arbitrary categories (T-6, T-7, T-10, whatever) or not.

Chill out and don't get so hurt any time you feel like somebody is slighting/ boosting the prestige of a school you do/ do not attend.


LOL at this little bitch UVA fanboy.


literally lol'ed at this exchange. Ya'll are taking DF's comments a little too seriously.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby BruceWayne » Wed Jan 09, 2013 11:47 pm

5ky wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:
5ky wrote:To be honest, I think pushing a handful of the worst exams from B- to C+ and correspondingly giving a couple more A-s instead of B+s is a net benefit in terms of students getting biglaw from UVA. A student in that mushy slightly above median area will be helped quite a bit more than the bottom 10% student.


Lol you're definitely a UVA law student. NO one NEEDS an A+ and B-s and below can make a person unemployable. There's a reason why Boalt,NYU, Penn etc. have the system they do. Yes less people end up in a position to get appellate clerkships etc. but less people end up completely unemployed as well. To be quite honest, I think that it partially explains why we are slightly behind those schools in the nlj with a higher amount of people in the "other" section on the nlj chart.


I don't know what the grading procedures are like at Boalt, NYU and Penn are, for obvious reasons. What are they?


They actually dictate the amount of each grade that can be given out.


somewhatwayward wrote:Yeah not prescribing the proportion of each grade (5% As, 20% A-s, 30% B+s, etc) sucks for everyone besides the top students who don't need the help anyway. In almost all the 1L classes I was in, the professors told me they would've awarded more As if they could have. You know at UVA a significant proportion of the class is going to write kick-ass exams and the professors will be tempted to give them all As, balancing that out with a healthy # of B-s even if the people in the B- range did a good job.

Some firms have rules like no B-s, which isn't a big problem for most schools where 4-6% of each class gets a B- and maybe 10% of the class has at least one on their transcripts. At UVA, that proportion could be much higher. Plus the distribution of A/A-/B+/B/B- is not standard across sections, so it is kind of unfair to compare GPAs across sections.

UVA is high-risk, high-reward, especially when you remember they are also the only T14 with partial preselect for OCI.



DING DING! We have a winner. People on here are a lot smarter than they were a year or 2 ago. :D Honestly, you described the problem with our grading system better than I did.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby somewhatwayward » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:38 pm

BruceWayne wrote:
somewhatwayward wrote:Yeah not prescribing the proportion of each grade (5% As, 20% A-s, 30% B+s, etc) sucks for everyone besides the top students who don't need the help anyway. In almost all the 1L classes I was in, the professors told me they would've awarded more As if they could have. You know at UVA a significant proportion of the class is going to write kick-ass exams and the professors will be tempted to give them all As, balancing that out with a healthy # of B-s even if the people in the B- range did a good job.

Some firms have rules like no B-s, which isn't a big problem for most schools where 4-6% of each class gets a B- and maybe 10% of the class has at least one on their transcripts. At UVA, that proportion could be much higher. Plus the distribution of A/A-/B+/B/B- is not standard across sections, so it is kind of unfair to compare GPAs across sections.

UVA is high-risk, high-reward, especially when you remember they are also the only T14 with partial preselect for OCI.



DING DING! We have a winner. People on here are a lot smarter than they were a year or 2 ago. :D Honestly, you described the problem with our grading system better than I did.


LOL probably the first time we have agreed about something

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby Rahviveh » Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:39 pm

somewhatwayward wrote:
BruceWayne wrote:
5ky wrote:To be honest, I think pushing a handful of the worst exams from B- to C+ and correspondingly giving a couple more A-s instead of B+s is a net benefit in terms of students getting biglaw from UVA. A student in that mushy slightly above median area will be helped quite a bit more than the bottom 10% student.


Lol you're definitely a UVA law student. NO one NEEDS an A+ and B-s and below can make a person unemployable. There's a reason why Boalt,NYU, Penn etc. have the system they do. Yes less people end up in a position to get appellate clerkships etc. but less people end up completely unemployed as well. To be quite honest, I think that it partially explains why we are slightly behind those schools in the nlj with a higher amount of people in the "other" section on the nlj chart.


Yeah not prescribing the proportion of each grade (5% As, 20% A-s, 30% B+s, etc) sucks for everyone besides the top students who don't need the help anyway. In almost all the 1L classes I was in, the professors told me they would've awarded more As if they could have. You know at UVA a significant proportion of the class is going to write kick-ass exams and the professors will be tempted to give them all As, balancing that out with a healthy # of B-s even if the people in the B- range did a good job.

Some firms have rules like no B-s, which isn't a big problem for most schools where 4-6% of each class gets a B- and maybe 10% of the class has at least one on their transcripts. At UVA, that proportion could be much higher. Plus the distribution of A/A-/B+/B/B- is not standard across sections, so it is kind of unfair to compare GPAs across sections.

UVA is high-risk, high-reward, especially when you remember they are also the only T14 with partial preselect for OCI.


Its too late for me anyways, but what other T14's is this a problem at?

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby Roger_Mogilny » Thu Jan 17, 2013 6:07 pm

Desert Fox wrote:T7 lol what a retard.


Fucking prick

Wahoos wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:T7 lol what a retard.


People like you are why most law students hate Top Law Schools. OP wasn't trying to make an elitist statement or anything- it was clear what the point of the original message was. This isn't supposed to be a thread about what schools should be defined in what arbitrary categories (T-6, T-7, T-10, whatever) or not.

Chill out and don't get so hurt any time you feel like somebody is slighting/ boosting the prestige of a school you do/ do not attend.


Also +1

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby UnamSanctam » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:30 pm

Super helpful bump of a week-old thread bro.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby gaucholaw » Thu Jan 17, 2013 7:41 pm

Bump to my question regarding what partial pre-select OCI mean? Thanks!

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby Roger_Mogilny » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:27 pm

UnamSanctam wrote:Super helpful bump of a week-old thread bro.


Thanks bro

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby BruceWayne » Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:49 pm

ChampagnePapi wrote:Its too late for me anyways, but what other T14's is this a problem at?


Honestly, I think UVA is kind of alone in the stone ages with this one. I think Duke, Cornell, and GULC might use a similar system. But I'm not even sure.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby UVAIce » Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:14 pm

I am oddly pro pre-select. There doesn't seem to be a strong logic in interviewing with a firm that won't hire you because your GPA is below their cut-off point. Now, you might feel better because you have more interviews, but really you're just wasting more of your time and the firm's time in doing so. Letting some kid with a 3.0 interview with Cravath just seems a little silly.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby 09042014 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:19 am

Roger_Mogilny wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:T7 lol what a retard.


Fucking prick


Wahoos wrote:
Desert Fox wrote:T7 lol what a retard.


People like you are why most law students hate Top Law Schools. OP wasn't trying to make an elitist statement or anything- it was clear what the point of the original message was. This isn't supposed to be a thread about what schools should be defined in what arbitrary categories (T-6, T-7, T-10, whatever) or not.

Chill out and don't get so hurt any time you feel like somebody is slighting/ boosting the prestige of a school you do/ do not attend.


Also +1


How'd you know I fucked your dad?

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby 09042014 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:27 am

UVAIce wrote:I am oddly pro pre-select. There doesn't seem to be a strong logic in interviewing with a firm that won't hire you because your GPA is below their cut-off point. Now, you might feel better because you have more interviews, but really you're just wasting more of your time and the firm's time in doing so. Letting some kid with a 3.0 interview with Cravath just seems a little silly.


The problem is that if you give a firm a set number of interviews, they are mostly just going to pick really good GPA. Firms don't seem to operate based on strict GPA floors. A firm would hire someone with a 3.3, might just pick the twenty students who have a 3.7-3.45. Even though they would have taken lower. If the firm has to narrow, they'll use GPA to do it.

Lottery works because people will want to target firms that will actually hire you. The 3.0 guy won't bid on Cravath. And the 3.9 won't bid on DLA Piper North Dakota. But in lottery, the 3.0 kid has to compete for an interview with the 3.9.

The only people who benefit from preselect are high grades / terrible interviewers.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby Mal Reynolds » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:35 am

Just call it the top nine from now on and I think DF will be fine.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Wed Jan 23, 2013 6:54 am

Desert Fox wrote:
Wahoos wrote:U seem mad though. Y u mad?



Y u mad? (it is 2010)

:lol:

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby 09042014 » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:26 pm

Mal Reynolds wrote:Just call it the top nine from now on and I think DF will be fine.


Nah, the lower t14 are all peers.

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Re: UVA vs rest of T777

Postby alwayssunnyinfl » Wed Jan 23, 2013 5:27 pm

Desert Fox wrote:
Mal Reynolds wrote:Just call it the top nine from now on and I think DF will be fine.


Nah, the lower t14 are all peers.


Duke
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